The game has no bring in, no ante. Regular 5/5 blinds with a straddle or mississipi sometimes. It's a very loose game.

We choose our doorcard on 3rd and discard 2.

Max bet/raise on 3rd is 30 or pot (if pot is less than 30)
60 on 4th
90 on 5th
120 on 6th
150 on 7th

First to act, I can't see any door card yet. I have 44(456)
We are 8 handed.

1) What would you keep?
2) would you raise or limp (trying to limp reraise)?

456 and start with a limp. Equity changes so much on 4th

444 blocks the low draws and this is unlikely for them to make a wheel.
If you're not against a higher rolled up hand, you have a good equity.

(456) is easier to play and can scoop massive pots, I think this is a close one.

Your hand takes 5 low cards out of the deck, which hurts all other low draws, and whatever else happens, trips has showdown value while 456 can brick off and be worthless pretty easily. I would open as if I had any playable low hand and manage the betting to knock out incomplete hands as early as possible.

i go rolled up because as mentioned it really damages all the other hands you're typically vying against while maintaining really high showdown value against the hands you expect to see.

wheel draws get ruined, low draws have 5 less outs, and to top it off you'll go against aces (often overplayed) enough of the time that having low trips here is just a really good spot.

i think 456sss is close. i don't think 456r is close.

I take the 456, especially if the parentheses denote suitedness. 444 can make quads or improve (after 5th) to what may be the lowest full house. Unimproved, I can't imagine what kind of boards I could be looking on a multi-player 7th street where I'd want to ride it down for "showdown value."

Unless you see somebody with a 4 on a connected low board you're rarely getting scooped, and the number of low cards spoiled makes it really unlikely you'll have to suffer a multiway showdown with 444, but you can catch a Jack against almost any other board and be done with the 456, or you can see three other guys turn up your outs or your suit.

Obviously I like the 456 hand, but A) you'll bust out a lot and B) your board won't be deceptive so it will be worth less on good runouts. If your board is 422 and somebody else has Aces-up you'll get extra bets, but if your board is 432 you won't. Likewise if your board is 482 you'll get action from good low draws who can make payoff hands vs 444 but have decent scoop potential vs the rundown.

I kept 444 and raise. I think this hand is stronger in a game where people are calling with razz hand.

444 is way best. 456 suited is also strong. Rolled up hands have a huge equity advantage and being a low rolled up it is disguised.

Because it aint a limit game you can just blast max bet every street and put a lot of pressure on low hands when you have trips so they pretty much have to fold by 5th a lot unless they catch two way equity and if the players are bad you will have guys calling the max the whole way trying to get half with a low when you do not need to improve your hand to win at showdown. So you either get value from people folding their equity on 4th or 5th giving up the significant investment that got them to that point or you get value from them going the distance with hands they shouldn't.

But you gotta make sure you are throwing in identical bets and raises when you aint got the trips and you're on a low straight/flush hand, otherwise it's too easy for the opponents to work out your direction and they won't go the distance with low-only hands if you only raise and reraise 3rd-5th with trips.

For those keeping 444, would you door the suited 4 or an offsuit?
For those keeping 456, which card would you door and why?

I can't imagine not starting with 444. 444 has the same equity as 456 against AAA!

I've got a spreadsheet calculator for super stud somewhere. I not at all sure that 2 extra dead low cards make multiway showdowns really unlikely.

Here's where we both agree and disagree. I agree that it is easy to catch bad with the 456, but disagree that it is bad to do so.

Having the 456 be so easy to get dinked is my whole reason for playing it. I'm paying $30 on third street with a potential of $150 bets on the river, and an easy decision on 4th street.　A jack is the perfect card--it lets me bail for minimum expense--I'm done with it.

I roll the 5. That way if I catch perfect, at least it's not connected.