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Old 03-14-2017, 03:29 PM   #1
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Rolled up strategy for Stud8

This is one thing I've debated about, is it better to jam 3rd and all later streets or trap with a rolled up hand.

Where I've been playing it seems that most people jam with rolled up hands but I find this makes there hand really obvious. For example a person with a J showing rereaises someone with and A showing, pretty much no other hand makes sense there. Although jamming reduces the chances that someone will make a low I sometimes wonder if this misses an opportunity to trap someone in a big pot who is also going high. Opinions?
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Old 03-15-2017, 12:08 AM   #2
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Re: Rolled up strategy for Stud8

Usually I think you should tend to jam as you are cool with whatever happens. Shorthanded pot means you will scoop more often and winning half of a big multiway works as well.

You highlighted one obvious possible exception. You should smooth call that and hope it looks like a 3 flush. But sometimes it may be right anyway as good lows will play regardless but you may limit some of marginal ones coming in
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:07 AM   #3
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Re: Rolled up strategy for Stud8

Jamming is better. Too many times you miss bets fannying around and open the door for someone to catch a big draw and bust you.

If they're gonna get there, charge 'em to do it. And if they're drawing dead, make 'em pay to draw dead!

I know what you're saying about your hand being face up like with JJJ jamming vs an A door. But most people cannot lay them aces down and will be with you to the river.

Make 'em pay, dammit!
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Old 03-16-2017, 12:17 AM   #4
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Re: Rolled up strategy for Stud8

I usually play my small rolled-up very fast and my larger more slowly, unless it's a spot where I could just have KK or whatever it is
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Old 03-25-2017, 11:48 PM   #5
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Re: Rolled up strategy for Stud8

A better thing to think about instead of whether or not to jam your rolled hands is to think of what range of hands should I be reraising.

For example if my reraise range on 3rd with a 5 door card is: rolled hands, 3 suited babies, aces, wheel cards then that ratio looks roughly good to me and reraising there makes sense.

If my door is a 9 and my range is AA and 99 that ratio looks too tight, so not reraising seems better.

At lower levels you can probably just jam and still get 4 other callers even though your range is aces and rolled 9s.
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:29 AM   #6
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Re: Rolled up strategy for Stud8

There is usually no debate in any good or decent game: jam early and often, build a pot and tie your opponents to it.
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Old 04-03-2017, 02:37 AM   #7
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Re: Rolled up strategy for Stud8

What's nice about rolled up fours (and fives) is that they block a lot of straights, ensures that if a low is being drawn to, it is rougher than usual, and your hand is already disguised as a potential low draw like 345. Also, you'll be up against low straight draws at time, and they won't have a 4 to hit it. This makes the wheel difficult, as well as 6,7,8 hi straights, the most likely straights to be drawing against. The issue is that you'll get out-tripped sometimes and not fill up. I'm not really sure if in a live game situation whether 444,555 is more profitable or less profitable than AAA

There are almost zero situations where I'll slow play it. I saw someone slowplay with a 9 door card in like a 3-way pot. Even with a 9 showing, you look like you have a wired pair of somekind, and if you catch a paint, they may figure you for trips on 4th, so there is really no reason to slow play. I jammed with the 444 recently, and caught an 8, fainted a not-so-hot-now low, and waited for 5th after jamming 3rd. So, slowplaying is still possible on 5th even if you jam and play fast on third street. An 9,8,T,J trips (in that order) seems like the most slowplay worthy hand, but still almost never.
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