Most of the times you've seen me playing razz at your tables, I've been working on it

Frankly it works, but getting it to work for EVERYONE and getting it to be easy to set up are not things I'm really prepared to do at the moment. Actually right now I'm freaking at work at 9pm.

which programming language are you using?

Daver - That would appear to be a good solution from the outside looking in, but unfortunately it is not feasible - the code is almost useless at this stage, it would be wiser to build a new product from scratch. The PokerTracker 2 family of products were built using a development platform called PowerBuilder from Sybase. This is an antiquated platform which was abandoned to develop PokerTracker 3 in C++. PokerTracker 2 was originally coded back in 2002, modern development platforms such as C++, .NET, and Java cannot port over the existing PowerBuilder code, the development platform is just too old to be considered a viable solution now.

Even though I love to play Stud games it is a reality that the market just doesn't exist to continue funding the development of PTS using the PowerBuilder or to start from scratch using C++. When Josh and Derek purchased PokerTracker from Pat a few years ago part of the agreement was for Mike and Pat to maintain the existing PokerTracker 2 line of products and answer any support questions until the end of life for each product. The end of life for PT2 O came this past December, and the end of life for PT 2 S will be this coming May as pointed out in the OP. Of course if things should change in the future and Stud regains its popularity then it would encourage our company to look into developing a new product to support stud players, but as we all know and also as Rusty just pointed out that time is not now unfortunately.

As Mike explained in the thread linked to in the OP, the end of life for PT2 S is May 1st, but you can of course continue to use PokerTracker Stud for as long as you like if you already own it because the end of life only affects updates, support and new sales.


I'll be happy answer any on-topic questions you guys and gals might have. I cannot speak for Mike, but I will be happy to speak to you on behalf of PokerTracker Software. If you would like to speak with Mike I recommend sending him a PM at pokertracker.com, his screen name there is ptrackmike.

I've been using Stud Indicator, which isnt pretty but it is an active working HUD (pretty fast too):



But I was using PTStud as well since you cannot load past hands in Stud Indicator, and it doesn't allow you to replay hands/essentially does not have a database to look through. It only tracks hands when it's open/active. But it will remember stats on your opponents for each game played.

The screenshot is one table of Stud Hi one table of Stud8, it works on FTP and PStars and reportedly, Party..

Rusty posted a while back that he has completed porting 99% of his stuff from Chipmunk Basic to Smalltalk. Or maybe that was someone else.

Most of it is tcl/tk, with some parts written in C++

Im already having trouble importing my latest hands from last few days, anyone else?

Hands wont show up...

There hasn't been an update patch since July of last year therefore I'm afraid you will have to be a bit more specific. Hand history incompatibilities are bound to have occurred during this seven month time frame, but keep in mind that Mike is still supporting PTS until the end of life date is met; if you find any hand history incompatibilities please let him know by posting on the Pokertracker.com support forum for PTS.

I've been mulling buying it for 6 months now glad I didn't. Procrastination is good for you.

are you talking about installation, or everyday use?

I tried to scout around for a decent review or overview of fpdb, but could only find "sales" material, which of course makes it sound pretty awesome. The main complaints I see seem to be related to the initial setup.

Joe, isn't posting affiliate links a violation of the 2p2 T&C?

Only if someone complains or it conflicts with other affiliate promotions/2p2 biz. I edited the link out.

good lord some people are fickle

Recent versions have had an installer package.

Another interesting note about SI. It doesn't always seem to track the ante's correctly, which will throw of the net amounts. Also, if a player gets to the river free from the bring in, (I play low/micro limits, yes this does happen) it will skew the VPiP. I've noticed a couple of other bugs, but they don't happen regularly. Overall it is a decent product other than not being able to go through the database(big problem imo).

Although I do love it when it blinks "You got the nuts" before the river.

This sounds fantastic; i may have to purchase just to see that. Is it windows only?

Yes windows only. It is also approved by PStars and FTP. There have been rumors Stud Indicator was not approved but they are untrue.

"Stud Indicator is really good It helped me to win some money playing stud games so far " - Damian

^^sick testimonial

So with the death of PTS, is FDPB(or w/e it is) our only option for keeping a database of our hands, determining winrates, etc?

Well Stud Indicator does actually keep stats and winrates, but it's not sortable, it's a live-action-HUD, that will keep thousands of hands on your opponents, however there is no client-base to look through them when not actively playing.

I have the free download, but worry if I buy it will get cancelled.

I originally emailed FTP support in August 2010 and was told it wasn't allowed. I then heard people were using it and asked Blackcard support, and they told me it was in fact allowed and apologized for the confusion...

Oh dont worry, you are not the only one. I have received PMs as well. FTP, as well as others, must have confused Stud Indicator with Stud Inspector. Stud Inspector is not approved, Stud Indicator clearly is.

I was about to buy SI last night after reading this thread, but I decided against it based on what I now think is a misinterpretation. Am I correct in now assuming that SI does in fact keep a database of all observed hands from all past and current sessions but it is not possible to import old hands?

Not observed, only played hands. Correct in that not possible to import currently.

I thought I was just old and tech illiterate but yeah, that program sucked for me too. Tried to add it for draw and gave up quick.