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Old 03-21-2020, 06:35 PM   #1
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razz HUHU when to give up?

3rd: xx7 bi, I complete (94)A, villain 2bets, I 3bet, he calls (I figured better to put extra pressure here because the 9 is good enough that I can make hands but bad enough that I want extra fold equity later on)

4th: I bet (94)A6, he calls xx7Q

5th: I bet (94)A69, he calls xx7Q2 (is this where I switch to check/call mode? I am credibly repping a made 9 here but I'm only 63% with a made 9 vs. a 7 draw and I'm 35% with my exact hand vs a 7 draw)

6th: I check (94)A69J, he checks xx7Q2J (I'm regretting not betting here, because if I have what I'm supposed to then I'm 72% and can continue non-improving rivers to get him to fold T's and J's and my exact hand is still 33% equity vs his likely made J7)

7th: I check (94)A69J(9) -- I think once I check 6th I've capped myself at a J9 and so he'll call me with his J7 even if he hasn't improved

Thoughts on any and all streets welcome!

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Old 03-23-2020, 11:09 AM   #2
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Re: razz HUHU when to give up?

Bet 6th if you're taking this line on 3rd.

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7th: I check (94)A69J(9) -- I think once I check 6th I've capped myself at a J9 and so he'll call me with his J7 even if he hasn't improved
agreed.
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Old 03-28-2020, 11:55 PM   #3
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Re: razz HUHU when to give up?

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3rd: xx7 bi, I complete (94)A, villain 2bets, I 3bet, he calls (I figured better to put extra pressure here because the 9 is good enough that I can make hands but bad enough that I want extra fold equity later on)
I don't think making a bigger pot will get you additional fold equity, like ever. There's a common axiom among people who play razz casually that you are priced in to peel an extra street if the hand is three-bet out of the gate. This is not entirely wrong, but it's a dummy's way of thinking about it. Nevertheless, you are better off three-betting a stronger range than weaker for this reason. Most players will fold less in a bigger pot, not more.

You can cover your strong three-bets with some strong flats and some 3B with worse ranks that have extra playability due to dead cards. Any old Nine is probably not one of those hands.
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Old 04-11-2020, 06:20 AM   #4
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Re: razz HUHU when to give up?

6th you can have bets and c/r here with your range. I wouldnt be c/c, but nothing wrong with checking this as its a great free card spot if you have a cr range.

played all streets well, but the logic and plan might not be 100% on point

Give up 7th is good just because you get called like always and not because youre capped. You have a cr range so youre not capped.
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Old 04-11-2020, 01:27 PM   #5
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Re: razz HUHU when to give up?

very interesting all, thanks. i probably need to check raise more, i play too straightforward.
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Old 04-11-2020, 01:42 PM   #6
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Re: razz HUHU when to give up?

Don't go overboard; you can wind up missing too much value. Just good to have a range
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