I'm a european player and I'm wonderin if it's possible (and at what time) 4table playing only 1 stake (from 0.5/1 to 2/4) on 1 single room... I'm just switching from plo to S8 but I can't get the action I need in "european hours"... is it the same in "US hours" ?

I think that your biggest problem could be not the room's traffic but multitabling stud8.

I played 25k hands multitabling x4 stud hi and even if i have a good memory i usually had to take frequent breaks coz u have to remember dead cards and other infos u cannot remember if u multitab.
Multitab stud8 would be far more difficult coz is a 8orbetter game and the dinamics are more complex than in stud hi.

I think you choose the worst game to multitab .

apart from the question of number of tables, the real question you should ask is

Is it profitable to 4table S8?

It depends from the tables I guess

Even if you're a super strong player, I have serious doubts whether it could be profitable to play Stud/8 at these stakes due to the rake. If you want to multitable Stud games, I'd recommend stud hi, since the edges are bigger.

Yes, it's very possible.

You probably won't play quite as well as you otherwise would (you'll miss some dead cards, and you may find yourself autopiloting in some spots).

In one way I think it's easier to multitable this rather than NLHE -- there's a much smaller player pool to deal with, and you'll get to know your opponents pretty quickly.

Right now theres 9 tables between 0,5/1-2/4 at Stars and 3 tables at FT, so shouldnt be a problem. Mostly this is the time the tables get going, at peak hours, when most europeans sleep, theres usually at least 3-5 tables at each limit(stars). Finding a table at FT at daytime is hard but at Stars there's always at least a few tables going. Generally from 4-5Pm CET you could start looking for tables.

I can do around 6 stud8 tables ok, I know people who do 10+. Multitabling stud8 easier than holdem? Maybe Bertrand should try 60tabling stud8, I got your point though. At lower limits most reads you need to know are basic ones, whos crazy, solid, passive, then you combine it with terrible and thats it.

Yeah, basically this. I mean, you can get into much greater detail on a number of points (opening ranges, passivity, etc.), but basically it's pretty easy to make a "******ed" note on a number of people, make a "good" note on a few people, and assume everyone else is just mildly ******ed, and you'll be about 95% of the way there.

I 3 to 4 table on stars from 2/4 - 5/T, it definitely possible to win at least .5 BBs/100 on each.

You're getting 1+ bb/100 alone in s8 through rakeback at the lower stakes. If you multi s8 with 6+ tables, you might as well do 16+ or however many tables there are assuming your breakeven or better. The edge you lose won't even matter since you make it up with rakeback.

The thing is there never is probably never more than 9 to 10 games going on within a spread of limit (say 1/2 to 2/4), and it is probably more optimum to play 3-4 tables to focus on achieving a higher winrate.

and that is exactly what a few players do on stars like that sicko beef guy on stars.

i've also seen someone play every table on stars from .5/1 upto 5/10 or 10/20 (and once in a blue moon 30/60). The guy was Mungy, but I have no clue if he profited from doing that or not.

I have no problem 4-tabling stud games of different types. I've 6-tabled a mix of razz, 8/b, and 7-game before but that's not optimal...

I only play 12 tables of PLO I guess...

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Seriously though he 6+ tables razz fairly regularly, maybe he'll stop by and share his insights into stud game multitabling. Personally I regularly 4 table razz but anything beyond that is too hectic for my poor little brain to keep up with. I vehemently disagree with the poster who said multitabling stud is easier than NLHE (it's definitely not) and the poster who said that these stakes are impossible to beat because of the rake (they definitely are not). I almost exclusively play razz but I'd have to assume it's the same deal with stud/8- almost all players at this limit (highish volume regs included) are so woefully dreadful that any sort of tight, ABC approach with win you the money. That approach might not be optimal but it should net you somewhere between 1-3 bb/100 imo. That being said, if you want to make money why in the world would you choose to play any form of stud? Why not just 24 table micro/lowstakes NLHE like the rest of the 2+2 community and squeeze out a little profit that way?

What stakes are you beating for 1-3 bb/100?? There is no reg I know that beats the game for more than 2 over a sample of larger than 50k.

how many people do you have >50k samples of?

I should preface this with both the obligatory "lol sample size" and say that this is just razz but between .5/1 and 2-4 (the stakes OP mentioned), I'm a 2.29 bb/100 winner over 24075 hands at Full Tilt and a 1.48 winner over 25999 hands at Stars. Expanding between .25/.50 and 5/10 I'm 2.32/34,440 and 1.41/30,296. I have a fair amount of leaks (I play too tight, sometimes I play too many tables, and sometimes I go on tilt especially when I get sucked out on in huge pots at the higher limits) so that's why I said I think between 1-3 bb/100 is totally doable while four tabling.

I second Chips' question: how do you have that many hands on anyone? The most I have on anyone is 2878 for a Stars reg and 2507 for a Tilt reg (between .25/.5 and 5/10). Both are probably the two best players at those sites that I've regularly played with but they also have a decent amount of leaks from what I've seen. They're 3.83 and 2.05 winners respectively, FWIW.

I can see where jive's getting at. I don't know much about razz, but in s8, 2+ bb/100 in the lower to mid stake is hard to believe as doable. I strongly doubt anyone has 2+ bb/100 within a large sample, unless they strongly game select.

Low to mid stake Stud 8 is a game to avoid imo. The rake is actually pretty sick and the majority of the field are either breakeven to slightly +ev regs who play for rakeback, or breakeven players that go busto or on heaters every now and then.

On my own tracker, 3

From what regs on stars tell me like 7

How have you gotten 50k hands on 3 different people?

i can 4 table fine, 5 is pushing it

I really can't do more than 2 mid/high mixed.

another question u might ask, is stud8 profitable without remembering dead cards?