Hey guys I found a 6/12 Omaha 8ob and stud 8ob game at a casino close to me. I love Omaha but i am awful at stud hi/lo any advice on where i can read up on some strategy??

Some good books on it. Todd Brunson wrote super system 2, and book on hi low by two plus two is very good.

Ideally, you want to play low hands. Most of your value comes from low straights and low flushes.

It can be boring and frustrating folding hand after hand waiting for Omaha but better than get involved with split 9's or even kings until you become comfortable with the game.

Any 3 low cards that can make a stratight. are usually playable depending on up cards. Always pay attention to how many 5's and aces are dead. The 5 is a key card that makes your, or your opponents hand often.

Thanks for the advice man and I’ll look into those books

Is this the 6-12 game at Parx?

Play is pretty transparent there. Good place to learn the game and should be break even to slightly profitable just by playing tighter than your opponents.

Very few players will continue to raise low draws past fifth if they hit a high brick. If they bricked with a low pair (thereby representing a low) they will sometimes continue betting.

Also, variance is low. Many players there prefer to check down heads up situations, especially if you look low and they are going high, or vice versa. I know good players will puke over this, but stops you from getting outplayed in heads up spots as you learn the game.

Also, if you become good at 7 card stud Hi Low, it is the best game to play where you can maximize skill advantage.

It is often boring, but the hands have become relatively easy to read. Sometimes I am surprised, but less so in other games.

There are times low pairs are easy raises on the river to knock out mid pairs against obvious lows.

Keeping track of the 5's is really important, though. If 5's are dead and the low is betting, feel free to raise on the river with a busted low that went runner nines against a player that opened with a Queen if your gut tells you he didn't two pair. It is high variance play, but when you turn over 9's or sixes (cause you bricked your low and hit a 6) and pick up half a pot, it is super fun. Once, again, expert play that I would suggest you don't make till playing at least 30 hours or so, but easy to do.

If you read people and cards well, 7 card stud hi low is the best poker game. 5's are super key, though. If lows are betting and 5's totally live, very possible they made straight.

always play super tight when learning a new game. this way even if you play it badly they still have a hard time beating a strong hand. and antees arent as damaging to you as most think when waiting as you fall into good spots from bad players that make up for them.

Ray Zee, if you are new to the game, do you agree that paying attention to mucked 5's is more impactful than paying attention to mucked aces? Even if you aren't new. Paying attention to 5's is most important.

5 are important in s/8.
and 6's in o/8 as having one with two other lower cards gives much improved play ability for 3/4 pots.

knowing every single mucked card and even inferring ones that have been folded is of utmost importance in any stud game. as your play changes sometimes drastically because of whats out or not.

but for beginners that have trouble or dont want to practice remembering cards. at least know what cards have been folded that pertain to your hand. especially in split pots dead cards really hurt you.

If you advised a new stud 8 player to watch cards not relevant to his hand, pay attention the ace of 5? Which is more important is sud 8? I think it is the 5

depends what you started with. if you have kings you are really interested in aces and not fives. if you are facing high cards with two pair an ace may make a straight .
so lots of things to think about.
i advocate knowing all folded cards and applying the info to your hand. and his.

I would advise a new player to muck kings.

Or only play that for a call of the $ 2 bring on.

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Two things:

If you've got any play money on Stars you can at least get used to seeing the kinds of hands that you're going to get dealt and realize that a great deal of patience is required. You'll also see how badly you get punished for playing too loose. I know, 'play money', but I pass the time playing 1K/2K and most of them are not just throwing away chips.

It's REALLY important to properly analyze why a hand that looks like it should be betting isn't betting bec there is opportunity there.

Some good advice from experienced players here. Somethings I'd advise a beginner to look out for would be pay close attention to their door card as this indicts massively what type of hand they have. If its a 9+ then it's likely a high pair or a three to a suit. If it's a low card 8 or under then they're probably looking to make a low/straight. Pay extra attention to when low door cards raise or especially re raise. If the do this with say, 5c then them hitting any suited low like the 4c or 6c is an extremely strong card from them since they could now have 4 to a low and flush/straight with 3 cards to come. Also learn to fold and to save bets as it's a limit game so it's all about making good decisions early to save losing more later. A penny saved is a penny earned. Good luck

a good rule of thumb for the beginner is to play less hands than the tightest player at the table and get out earlier in the hands you play more often than the tightest player at the table does.
because you are going to make so many playing mistakes it is almost impossible for you to win without having giant hands and until learning the game thoroughly.

He may as well bring a copy of War and Peace to read. By the time he's done w/ the 1,400 pages he might be ready to loosen up.

yep and he will leave with a few bucks up and learned while not losing.

btw howard a guy in oregon that plays in your games who said he knows of you i told him to say hello from me if he sees you.

Thanks! I'll look forward to it!

One good thing about having it in a mix is that you can play weak-tight during that round and not get beat-up too bad, and then grow in the game and play better.

Aces are still the key cards in stud/8b imhe. Though rolled-up, I'd rather have rolled up 4's or 5's because it blocks lows and low straights, than rolled-up A's. 4's and 5's as cards play better as part of a low straight in multiway pots, and A's play better in heads-up pots. So, it depends.

The hands that should be folded in most situations but you'll likely want to play are of course the razz hands.

As well as Ray Zee's indespensible material, I recommend videos by Joe Tall on DeucesCracked.

And, this game takes a lot of thinking, so I recommend shorter sessions. I wouldn't try to all-night it unless everyone else is as tired as you are. Be fresh for this one.

I also believe that the advice of pushing Kings or queens early in a hand is poor advice if pots are likely to be multiway.

I believe those hands to be drawing hands and if you miss your trip on 4th and lows look to improve and betting gets heavy, I would probably dump. As a beginner, I would definitely dump those hands. Maybe not even see 4th if there is a raise and overcards behind you.

rarely is it correct to try to hit trips on 4th street with the intention of dumping if not.

high hands do well against other high hands when yours is the best. they fair poorly in 3 handed pots and get worst as more players come in until some point they start to get better as the pot odds increase.

those that do not play stud hi well tend to get crushed with high pairs.

Ray Zee, 6-12 games typically have 4 way action going to 4th.

Your raise unlikely to limit the field.

You bloat the pot and good players now see fifth street, instead of dumping 4th when they brick.


In that situation, how do you play two kings. assume cards are live and you have offsuit 7.

and assume 1 king dead and you have offsuit 10.

Ray Zee, the standard line in both situations?

I don't like a pair of Kings in general, but I would pretty much never play it with a king dead, unless maybe they were buried and I was the bring in and it was headup.

ditch it quickly least you forget how much you are going to lose here.
you can easily get a big pot and then get jammed. then what do you do with just one pair.

hot and cold running them, the kings fair okay but with betting and being maybe first to bet or squeezed in the middle makes for ruination.

this all also depends on what cards you are facing. if they are going high as well then join the party.

This is great advice. Even when I was a kid I took a lot of breaks in stud games, and I'd go to a snack bar for a sandwich and a coffee every 2 or 3 hours. If I didn't, I'd start to lose track and wouldn't be at top form if the game suddenly got good.