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Old 11-05-2017, 07:59 PM   #26
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I'd like to change my answer to "sitting down".
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Old 11-08-2017, 04:07 AM   #27
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:21 PM   #28
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haven't posted much here (just found this forum actually lol) but i was a fw 20 and 40 stud/lhe regular for years. i also studied it extensively from the good mr. Zee's books along w/ running hand simulations in excel. the biggest mistake i saw in:

mid limit stud: playing too many hands on 3rd and playing 4th wrong when 3rd was played right. you see all the time a guy try to make something out of nothing and it's sooo expensive.

high limit stud: being too passive and just drawing. playing honestly is also terrible at 50/100+ as it's so easy to read. OR playing too fancy (raising 4th to try for a free 6th street card or 5th trying for a free 7th when it isn't warranted)
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Old 01-10-2018, 10:48 PM   #29
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I think the most common one that I see and hope people do against me is in Stud high when they call a reraise with a smaller pair and a useless kicker and just chase the entire way
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Old 01-11-2018, 01:41 AM   #30
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Stud high isn't played in Australian casinos anymore and hasn't been for over 10 years. This thread has brought back some memories though via some interesting posts; I envy anyone playing live.
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Old 01-14-2018, 07:36 PM   #31
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Re: Largest mistake you witness in stud/stud8???

in the 20/40 stud game at foxwoods: playing middle pairs in multi-way pots. eg, having a hand like 997Q vs a clear higher pair and a 4-flush or 4-straight.

edit to add: a 2nd very common thing I see a lot in same game: failing to value bet river. checking solid 2 pairs, check-calling 1 pair hands they should always be bet-folding, etc. I got puzzled looks last night when I value bet unimproved (Ax)A twice that held up and got river calls.
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Old 01-15-2018, 12:25 AM   #32
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edit to add: a 2nd very common thing I see a lot in same game: failing to value bet river. checking solid 2 pairs, check-calling 1 pair hands they should always be bet-folding, etc. I got puzzled looks last night when I value bet unimproved (Ax)A twice that held up and got river calls.
This is a good one. River play in general at all levels can be pretty baffling.
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Old 01-15-2018, 12:28 AM   #33
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I got puzzled looks last night when I value bet unimproved (Ax)A twice that held up and got river calls.
Good for you that you can make thin value bets on the river and get called, but it seems to me that this points out the bigger mistake of calling all the way down with less than the one big pair someone else has represented the whole way.
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Old 01-17-2018, 09:39 PM   #34
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2nd very common thing I see a lot in same game: failing to value bet river. checking solid 2 pairs, check-calling 1 pair hands they should always be bet-folding, etc.
I totally agree people don't value bet enough hands in low limit stud games, but there are precious few spots where bet/fold is the correct line, and even in those spots it cannot be every time. If a good player sees that you can bet/fold vs a strong board he will make sure you do it too often for it to ever be a good idea. Most spots I see players bet/fold could be played as bet/call or check/call more profitably.

The rare bet/fold against timid opponents is fine, and you will bluff that way sometimes, but making a habit of bet/folding hands with value on the river ought to be pretty expensive.
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Old 01-17-2018, 10:15 PM   #35
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trying to beat this man....

in a 10k stud 8 tournament. amirite?
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:18 AM   #36
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Old 01-21-2018, 01:20 PM   #37
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I totally agree people don't value bet enough hands in low limit stud games, but there are precious few spots where bet/fold is the correct line, and even in those spots it cannot be every time. If a good player sees that you can bet/fold vs a strong board he will make sure you do it too often for it to ever be a good idea. Most spots I see players bet/fold could be played as bet/call or check/call more profitably.

The rare bet/fold against timid opponents is fine, and you will bluff that way sometimes, but making a habit of bet/folding hands with value on the river ought to be pretty expensive.
Think the vast majority of players (around 90% at least) in 20/40 Stud games will never ever raise as a bluff even if it has been seen many times. It's usually clear on who the 10% that are capable are so just don't take this line against them.
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:58 AM   #38
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Playing low stakes games on Stars, biggest mistake by far is not value betting enough. See so many players only considering their hands rather than their opponent's ranges and thus playing far too passively in spots where they're very often ahead. Especially in low stakes games where the rake is pretty hard to overcome, these spots can easily be the difference between a winning and losing player.
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Old 01-27-2018, 02:22 AM   #39
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Good for you that you can make thin value bets on the river and get called, but it seems to me that this points out the bigger mistake of calling all the way down with less than the one big pair someone else has represented the whole way.
Well, obv, the biggest mistake in stud, or any form of poker, is too loose of an opening with too passive play. That's universal.
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I totally agree people don't value bet enough hands in low limit stud games, but there are precious few spots where bet/fold is the correct line, and even in those spots it cannot be every time. If a good player sees that you can bet/fold vs a strong board he will make sure you do it too often for it to ever be a good idea. Most spots I see players bet/fold could be played as bet/call or check/call more profitably.

The rare bet/fold against timid opponents is fine, and you will bluff that way sometimes, but making a habit of bet/folding hands with value on the river ought to be pretty expensive.
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Think the vast majority of players (around 90% at least) in 20/40 Stud games will never ever raise as a bluff even if it has been seen many times. It's usually clear on who the 10% that are capable are so just don't take this line against them.
This. River bluff raising is so, so rare it's insane.

People always act like making a bad river fold in a sizeable pot is a massive mistake, but it's not. It just stings more because of the size. If they are very unlikely to bluff, even if your fold is bad it's unlikely to be a huge mistake.
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Old 01-29-2018, 12:56 PM   #40
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Well, obv, the biggest mistake in stud, or any form of poker, is too loose of an opening with too passive play. That's universal. This. River bluff raising is so, so rare it's insane.

People always act like making a bad river fold in a sizeable pot is a massive mistake, but it's not. It just stings more because of the size. If they are very unlikely to bluff, even if your fold is bad it's unlikely to be a huge mistake.
Yeah for some reason players always say folding the bet hand on the river is a 10 big bet mistake or however big the pot is but that is the wrong way to view it as it does not account for all that of the times you correctly fold.
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:33 AM   #41
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Re: Largest mistake you witness in stud/stud8???

Largest mistake I make (over and over):

Not noticing the bring-in has completed and accidentally 2-betting my total junk stealing hands and getting jammed.

Please tell me I'm not the only one.
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Old 05-11-2018, 02:23 PM   #42
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You are the only one.
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Old 05-11-2018, 05:29 PM   #43
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You are the only one.
Lol nah I do it when I play online

Maybe happened a few times live where I thought I was raising but I cold called
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Old 05-12-2018, 07:54 PM   #44
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Drawing to dead flushes in both stud high and split.

Playing razz hands in S8.

been watching a lot of 4/8$ stud online. so midstake games

and everyone seems to play razz hands and a lot of peoople go to 7th with 7 low. what gives?
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Old 05-14-2018, 05:31 PM   #45
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Re: Largest mistake you witness in stud/stud8???

Playing 1k+ games when you don't have an IQ above 50 and a degenerate clown.

Here's a good example.

PokerStars Hand #186424761661: Tournament #2271585781, $1000+$50 USD 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit - Level XVI (12500/25000) - 2018/05/14 22:18:55 CET [2018/05/14 16:18:55 ET]
Table '2271585781 8' 8-max
Seat 1: WTFOMFGOAO (295600 in chips)
Seat 2: billygstar (217934 in chips)
Seat 3: cal42688 (332283 in chips)
Seat 4: goleafsgoeh (319341 in chips)
Seat 5: fabsoul (268050 in chips)
Seat 6: sandman201 (331908 in chips)
Seat 7: recusant_89 (308609 in chips)
Seat 8: kimokh (165125 in chips)
WTFOMFGOAO: posts the ante 2500
billygstar: posts the ante 2500
cal42688: posts the ante 2500
goleafsgoeh: posts the ante 2500
fabsoul: posts the ante 2500
sandman201: posts the ante 2500
recusant_89: posts the ante 2500
kimokh: posts the ante 2500
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to WTFOMFGOAO [Qh]
Dealt to billygstar [Ad As Ah]
Dealt to cal42688 [3d]
Dealt to goleafsgoeh [Ts]
Dealt to fabsoul [3s]
Dealt to sandman201 [Ks]
Dealt to recusant_89 [Qc]
Dealt to kimokh [9h]
cal42688: brings in for 3750
goleafsgoeh: folds
fabsoul: folds
sandman201: folds
recusant_89: folds
kimokh: raises 8750 to 12500
WTFOMFGOAO: raises 12500 to 25000
billygstar: raises 12500 to 37500
cal42688: folds
kimokh: calls 25000
WTFOMFGOAO: calls 12500
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to WTFOMFGOAO [Qh] [4s]
Dealt to billygstar [Ad As Ah] [2s]
Dealt to kimokh [9h] [Ac]
kimokh: checks
WTFOMFGOAO: checks
billygstar: bets 12500
kimokh: raises 12500 to 25000
WTFOMFGOAO: folds
billygstar: raises 12500 to 37500
kimokh: raises 12500 to 50000
Betting is capped
billygstar: calls 12500
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to billygstar [Ad As Ah 2s] [Kc]
Dealt to kimokh [9h Ac] [3c]
billygstar: bets 25000
kimokh: raises 25000 to 50000
billygstar: raises 25000 to 75000
kimokh: raises 125 to 75125 and is all-in
Betting is capped
billygstar: calls 125
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to billygstar [Ad As Ah 2s Kc] [4h]
Dealt to kimokh [9h Ac 3c] [Jd]
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to billygstar [Ad As Ah 2s Kc 4h] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
billygstar: shows [Ad As Ah 2s Kc 4h 3h] (HI: three of a kind, Aces)
kimokh: shows [9c 6c 9h Ac 3c Jd 7c] (HI: a flush, Ace high)
kimokh collected 386500 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 386500 | Rake 0
Seat 1: WTFOMFGOAO folded on the 4th Street
Seat 2: billygstar showed [Ad As Ah 2s Kc 4h 3h] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Aces
Seat 3: cal42688 folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 4: goleafsgoeh folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: fabsoul folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sandman201 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: recusant_89 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 8: kimokh showed [9c 6c 9h Ac 3c Jd 7c] and won (386500) with HI: a flush, Ace high
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Old 05-15-2018, 06:34 PM   #46
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Re: Largest mistake you witness in stud/stud8???

1) Calling any raises because they have suited even if 2 of them are hi (QJ2 hearts), 2) getting involved with a pot with a hi pair when 2 other lo hands are already involved and 3) 4 opponents to 5th streets and hi hand bets out with at least 2 players with possible lo cards. 4) players bricking but calling as middle action when you know now a smart player, still to act, will bump the action with a reraise. If the original better doesn't reraise, the hi now is only one bet to call and somehow will fold next street or 6th street when bets cost more.
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Old 05-15-2018, 06:41 PM   #47
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I think the most common one that I see and hope people do against me is in Stud high when they call a reraise with a smaller pair and a useless kicker and just chase the entire way
Not sure why you think they will automatically fold. The % isn't as bad as holdem. Of course the mention of kicker does help when it is bigger than the one reraising. If we all folded, we would be bluffed all the time. Maybe even a better answer is raising early with a mediocre card for 3rd street.
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Old 05-16-2018, 02:03 AM   #48
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Not sure why you think they will automatically fold. The % isn't as bad as holdem. Of course the mention of kicker does help when it is bigger than the one reraising. If we all folded, we would be bluffed all the time. Maybe even a better answer is raising early with a mediocre card for 3rd street.
You mean why do I think they should automatically fold? I don’t. First case when they should not is when they have a kicker of value such as a larger one than upcard or one with straight/flush possibilities. Another time is stealing situations.

But just continuing on automatically against a range heavily weighted towards the higher pair is a huge leak, more massive in lower ante games.
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Old 05-17-2018, 10:53 AM   #49
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Playing 1k+ games when you don't have an IQ above 50 and a degenerate clown.
There was a hand in your rail where you raised 3rd with 356 (two suited) with two 4s showing as up cards of opponents. Aren't those two dead 4s a major caution sign for raising there? Just curious, not a Stud8 expert at all.
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Old 05-19-2018, 02:59 PM   #50
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mistaking

stud to be razz, or
stud8 to be stud
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