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Old 11-05-2017, 07:59 PM   #26
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I'd like to change my answer to "sitting down".
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Old 11-08-2017, 04:07 AM   #27
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:21 PM   #28
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haven't posted much here (just found this forum actually lol) but i was a fw 20 and 40 stud/lhe regular for years. i also studied it extensively from the good mr. Zee's books along w/ running hand simulations in excel. the biggest mistake i saw in:

mid limit stud: playing too many hands on 3rd and playing 4th wrong when 3rd was played right. you see all the time a guy try to make something out of nothing and it's sooo expensive.

high limit stud: being too passive and just drawing. playing honestly is also terrible at 50/100+ as it's so easy to read. OR playing too fancy (raising 4th to try for a free 6th street card or 5th trying for a free 7th when it isn't warranted)
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Old 01-10-2018, 10:48 PM   #29
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I think the most common one that I see and hope people do against me is in Stud high when they call a reraise with a smaller pair and a useless kicker and just chase the entire way
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Old 01-11-2018, 01:41 AM   #30
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Stud high isn't played in Australian casinos anymore and hasn't been for over 10 years. This thread has brought back some memories though via some interesting posts; I envy anyone playing live.
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Old 01-14-2018, 07:36 PM   #31
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Re: Largest mistake you witness in stud/stud8???

in the 20/40 stud game at foxwoods: playing middle pairs in multi-way pots. eg, having a hand like 997Q vs a clear higher pair and a 4-flush or 4-straight.

edit to add: a 2nd very common thing I see a lot in same game: failing to value bet river. checking solid 2 pairs, check-calling 1 pair hands they should always be bet-folding, etc. I got puzzled looks last night when I value bet unimproved (Ax)A twice that held up and got river calls.
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Old 01-15-2018, 12:25 AM   #32
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edit to add: a 2nd very common thing I see a lot in same game: failing to value bet river. checking solid 2 pairs, check-calling 1 pair hands they should always be bet-folding, etc. I got puzzled looks last night when I value bet unimproved (Ax)A twice that held up and got river calls.
This is a good one. River play in general at all levels can be pretty baffling.
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Old 01-15-2018, 12:28 AM   #33
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I got puzzled looks last night when I value bet unimproved (Ax)A twice that held up and got river calls.
Good for you that you can make thin value bets on the river and get called, but it seems to me that this points out the bigger mistake of calling all the way down with less than the one big pair someone else has represented the whole way.
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Old 01-17-2018, 09:39 PM   #34
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2nd very common thing I see a lot in same game: failing to value bet river. checking solid 2 pairs, check-calling 1 pair hands they should always be bet-folding, etc.
I totally agree people don't value bet enough hands in low limit stud games, but there are precious few spots where bet/fold is the correct line, and even in those spots it cannot be every time. If a good player sees that you can bet/fold vs a strong board he will make sure you do it too often for it to ever be a good idea. Most spots I see players bet/fold could be played as bet/call or check/call more profitably.

The rare bet/fold against timid opponents is fine, and you will bluff that way sometimes, but making a habit of bet/folding hands with value on the river ought to be pretty expensive.
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Old 01-17-2018, 10:15 PM   #35
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trying to beat this man....

in a 10k stud 8 tournament. amirite?
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:18 AM   #36
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Old 01-21-2018, 01:20 PM   #37
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I totally agree people don't value bet enough hands in low limit stud games, but there are precious few spots where bet/fold is the correct line, and even in those spots it cannot be every time. If a good player sees that you can bet/fold vs a strong board he will make sure you do it too often for it to ever be a good idea. Most spots I see players bet/fold could be played as bet/call or check/call more profitably.

The rare bet/fold against timid opponents is fine, and you will bluff that way sometimes, but making a habit of bet/folding hands with value on the river ought to be pretty expensive.
Think the vast majority of players (around 90% at least) in 20/40 Stud games will never ever raise as a bluff even if it has been seen many times. It's usually clear on who the 10% that are capable are so just don't take this line against them.
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:58 AM   #38
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Playing low stakes games on Stars, biggest mistake by far is not value betting enough. See so many players only considering their hands rather than their opponent's ranges and thus playing far too passively in spots where they're very often ahead. Especially in low stakes games where the rake is pretty hard to overcome, these spots can easily be the difference between a winning and losing player.
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Old 01-27-2018, 02:22 AM   #39
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Good for you that you can make thin value bets on the river and get called, but it seems to me that this points out the bigger mistake of calling all the way down with less than the one big pair someone else has represented the whole way.
Well, obv, the biggest mistake in stud, or any form of poker, is too loose of an opening with too passive play. That's universal.
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I totally agree people don't value bet enough hands in low limit stud games, but there are precious few spots where bet/fold is the correct line, and even in those spots it cannot be every time. If a good player sees that you can bet/fold vs a strong board he will make sure you do it too often for it to ever be a good idea. Most spots I see players bet/fold could be played as bet/call or check/call more profitably.

The rare bet/fold against timid opponents is fine, and you will bluff that way sometimes, but making a habit of bet/folding hands with value on the river ought to be pretty expensive.
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Think the vast majority of players (around 90% at least) in 20/40 Stud games will never ever raise as a bluff even if it has been seen many times. It's usually clear on who the 10% that are capable are so just don't take this line against them.
This. River bluff raising is so, so rare it's insane.

People always act like making a bad river fold in a sizeable pot is a massive mistake, but it's not. It just stings more because of the size. If they are very unlikely to bluff, even if your fold is bad it's unlikely to be a huge mistake.
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Old 01-29-2018, 12:56 PM   #40
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Well, obv, the biggest mistake in stud, or any form of poker, is too loose of an opening with too passive play. That's universal. This. River bluff raising is so, so rare it's insane.

People always act like making a bad river fold in a sizeable pot is a massive mistake, but it's not. It just stings more because of the size. If they are very unlikely to bluff, even if your fold is bad it's unlikely to be a huge mistake.
Yeah for some reason players always say folding the bet hand on the river is a 10 big bet mistake or however big the pot is but that is the wrong way to view it as it does not account for all that of the times you correctly fold.
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Old 02-16-2018, 01:33 AM   #41
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Re: Largest mistake you witness in stud/stud8???

Largest mistake I make (over and over):

Not noticing the bring-in has completed and accidentally 2-betting my total junk stealing hands and getting jammed.

Please tell me I'm not the only one.
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