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Old 02-02-2009, 12:31 PM   #26
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Re: **!!**GD S IM NOT F AROUND N E MORE (!) FEB LC OH FISCHUL**!!**

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I just got back from vegas where I played in a 4/8 HORSE game at the Monte Carlo. It was cool, except for the fact that there was no ante in any of the stud games
thats one way to nit the game up a little
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:54 PM   #27
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Re: **!!**GD S IM NOT F AROUND N E MORE (!) FEB LC OH FISCHUL**!!**

i had to play quads...there really was no other choice. sweet fade for sure! I'm pretty disappointed with ft hand tho. Didnt have him limping a2 at all, and figured one of us was getting quartered at worst. feel free to content.

Full Tilt Poker Game #10388149491: $3,000 Guarantee (78423459), Table 7 - 3000/6000 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 3:27:01 ET - 2009/02/02
Seat 1: phil8746 (94,929)
Seat 2: QuickSilver7 (77,227)
Seat 4: FCKewpie (54,151)
Seat 5: DEADMONEY1182 (99,836)
Seat 6: homelander (173,176)
Seat 8: her ghost (91,681)
QuickSilver7 posts the small blind of 3,000
FCKewpie posts the big blind of 6,000
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to her ghost [9s 3s 6d Ad]
DEADMONEY1182 folds
homelander calls 6,000
her ghost calls 6,000
phil8746 folds
QuickSilver7 calls 3,000
FCKewpie checks
*** FLOP *** [Jh 8s 7s]
QuickSilver7 checks
FCKewpie bets 24,000
homelander calls 24,000
her ghost has 15 seconds left to act
her ghost has requested TIME
her ghost calls 24,000
QuickSilver7 folds
*** TURN *** [Jh 8s 7s] [4s]
FCKewpie has 15 seconds left to act
FCKewpie checks
homelander bets 96,000
her ghost calls 61,681, and is all in
FCKewpie folds
homelander shows [5c 2s 2h As]
her ghost shows [9s 3s 6d Ad]
Uncalled bet of 34,319 returned to homelander
*** RIVER *** [Jh 8s 7s 4s] [3d]
homelander shows a flush, Ace high, for high and 7,4,3,2,A, for low
her ghost shows a flush, Nine high, for high and 7,6,4,3,A, for low
homelander wins the high pot (109,681) with a flush, Ace high
homelander wins the low pot (109,681) with 7,4,3,2,A
her ghost stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 219,362 | Rake 0
Board: [Jh 8s 7s 4s 3d]
Seat 1: phil8746 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: QuickSilver7 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: FCKewpie (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: DEADMONEY1182 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: homelander showed [5c 2s 2h As] and won (219,362) with HI: a flush, Ace high; LO: 7,4,3,2,A
Seat 8: her ghost showed [9s 3s 6d Ad] and lost with HI: a flush, Nine high; LO: 7,6,4,3,A
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Old 02-02-2009, 01:24 PM   #28
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Re: **!!**GD S IM NOT F AROUND N E MORE (!) FEB LC OH FISCHUL**!!**

way to fade 16 outs twice.

that last hand i would have shoved flop or folded. caller should have a decent hand even if better doesn't. plus someone to act behind. i would probably shove. straight draw, fd, plus A3 low draw - you figure to be good at least for half, pretty often, with 2 cards to come.
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Old 02-02-2009, 02:24 PM   #29
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Re: **!!**GD S IM NOT F AROUND N E MORE (!) FEB LC OH FISCHUL**!!**

This is starting out as a good month.Got my year end ironman bonus from FTP and the cardinals covered the spread(thank god i stayed away from the o/u cuz i woulda bet the under)
when poker kicks ur ass theirs always sports betting
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that was a great 4th quarter. no idea how holmes got both feet down. seeing it as it happened i thought no way he was in. replay was pretty conclusive, though.
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Old 02-02-2009, 06:16 PM   #31
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Re: **!!**GD S IM NOT F AROUND N E MORE (!) FEB LC OH FISCHUL**!!**

awesome hand

Full Tilt Poker Game #10397145944: Table David Oppenheim - $5/$10 Ante $1 - Limit Razz - 17:07:43 ET - 2009/02/02
Seat 1: Valhall ($456.50)
Seat 2: schastlivy ($210)
Seat 3: GabGirl09 ($117.50)
Seat 5: psteps ($111.50)
Seat 6: btbamatl ($284.50)
Seat 7: b-rad0734 ($200), is sitting out
Seat 8: PrincessDonk ($180.50)
btbamatl antes $1
schastlivy antes $1
Valhall antes $1
PrincessDonk antes $1
GabGirl09 antes $1
psteps antes $1
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Valhall [Qh]
Dealt to schastlivy [2d]
Dealt to GabGirl09 [Ah]
Dealt to psteps [7d]
Dealt to btbamatl [Jh Qd] [Qc]
Dealt to PrincessDonk [Jc]
Valhall is high with [Qh]
Valhall brings in for $1.50
schastlivy completes it to $5
GabGirl09 has 15 seconds left to act
b-rad0734 stands up
GabGirl09 folds
psteps folds
btbamatl folds
PrincessDonk folds
Valhall raises to $10
schastlivy raises to $15
Valhall raises to $20
schastlivy calls $5
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to Valhall [Qh] [9c]
Dealt to schastlivy [2d] [4h]
schastlivy bets $5
Valhall raises to $10
schastlivy raises to $15
Valhall raises to $20
schastlivy calls $5
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to Valhall [Qh 9c] [Th]
Dealt to schastlivy [2d 4h] [Kd]
Valhall bets $10
schastlivy calls $10
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to Valhall [Qh 9c Th] [3d]
Dealt to schastlivy [2d 4h Kd] [Kh]
Valhall bets $10
schastlivy calls $10
*** 7TH STREET ***
Valhall bets $10
schastlivy folds
Uncalled bet of $10 returned to Valhall
Valhall mucks
Valhall wins the pot ($123)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $126 | Rake $3
Seat 1: Valhall collected ($123), mucked
Seat 2: schastlivy folded on 7th St.
Seat 3: GabGirl09 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: psteps folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: btbamatl folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: b-rad0734 is sitting out
Seat 8: PrincessDonk folded on 3rd St.
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Old 02-02-2009, 08:26 PM   #32
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Re: **!!**GD S IM NOT F AROUND N E MORE (!) FEB LC OH FISCHUL**!!**

So I requested Turbo Horse HU sng's in the IP thread, and Full Tilt actually added them. While they weren't the same style I expected, they made the starting blinds lower, which is pretty cool for all the Stud players. In the regular heads up Sng's, probably like 70 percent of them are done before Razz is even over, but in this new format, it's super common to get through all the games at least once.

I dunno, kind of random, but if any of you guys didn't play these because of the structure, hope it's more to your liking now.
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Old 02-02-2009, 09:28 PM   #33
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Re: **!!**GD S IM NOT F AROUND N E MORE (!) FEB LC OH FISCHUL**!!**

My sickest Stud Hi calldown. Or I'm just a fish

Tournament - 7 Card Stud High (50/100), Ante 10, Bring-In 15 (converter)

Hero: 1,775
Seat 2: 1,225

3rd Street - (0.40 SB)

Hero: 3 3 A___completes
Seat 2: xx xx 6___brings-in___calls

4th Street - (2.40 SB)

Hero: 3 3 A Q___bets
Seat 2: xx xx 6 Q___calls

5th Street - (2.20 BB)

Hero: 3 3 A Q 6___bets
Seat 2: xx xx 6 Q 8___calls

6th Street - (4.20 BB)

Hero: 3 3 A Q 6 9___checks___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 6 Q 8 J___bets

River - (6.20 BB)

Hero: 3 3 A Q 6 9 K___checks___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 6 Q 8 J xx___bets

Total pot: (8.20 BB - 820)


Yet, I lose to this guy, who won 15 consecutive hands to take the match!
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:25 PM   #34
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Re: **!!**GD S IM NOT F AROUND N E MORE (!) FEB LC OH FISCHUL**!!**

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So I requested Turbo Horse HU sng's in the IP thread, and Full Tilt actually added them. While they weren't the same style I expected, they made the starting blinds lower, which is pretty cool for all the Stud players. In the regular heads up Sng's, probably like 70 percent of them are done before Razz is even over, but in this new format, it's super common to get through all the games at least once.

I dunno, kind of random, but if any of you guys didn't play these because of the structure, hope it's more to your liking now.
I ****ing hate the turbs tbh.. I guess i just hate any turbo unless its a satellite. I guess cause i never seem to run good and have to grind out each sng... I know waaaaaaaa.... but thats my opinion
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:05 PM   #35
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Re: **!!**GD S IM NOT F AROUND N E MORE (!) FEB LC OH FISCHUL**!!**

Hopefully the rest of the month is better, I got a feeling that there is a 93% chance of that happening, but you never know:

7 Card Stud High-Low ($15/$30), Ante $3, Bring-In $5 (converter)

Seat 1: $87.50
Seat 3: $150
Seat 4: $828.50
Seat 5: $1,990.50
Seat 6: $863
Hero: $1,017

3rd Street - (1.2 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx Q ___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 5 ___brings-in ___folds
Seat 4: xx xx Q ___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 8 ___calls ___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 6 ___folds
Hero: A 3 A ___completes

4th Street - (4.533333333333333 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx Q 4 ___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 8 A ___calls
Hero: A 3 A A ___bets

5th Street - (3.2666666666666666 BB)

Seat 5: xx xx 8 A 8 ___calls
Hero: A 3 A A 9 ___bets

6th Street - (5.266666666666667 BB)

Seat 5: xx xx 8 A 8 K ___calls
Hero: A 3 A A 9 8 ___bets

River - (7.266666666666667 BB)

Seat 5: xx xx 8 A 8 K xx ___raises
Hero: A 3 A A 9 8 5 ___bets ___calls

Total pot: (11.266666666666667 BB - $338.00)

Results:

Total pot $338 | Rake $3

Note: this site shuffles the hole cards.

Seat 5: [Ks Jh 8s As 8h Kh 8c] -
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:19 PM   #36
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Re: **!!**GD S IM NOT F AROUND N E MORE (!) FEB LC OH FISCHUL**!!**

SG, my FTP chat is banned so I couldn't say anything, but why were you slummin' it with us down at 3/6?
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7 Card Stud High ($5/$10), Ante $1, Bring-In $1.50 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.60 SB)

Hero: J 8 A___completes
Seat 5: xx xx 9___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 6___brings-in___calls

4th Street - (2.60 SB)

Hero: J 8 A K___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 6 4___calls

5th Street - (2.30 BB)

Hero: J 8 A K Q___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 6 4 K___calls

6th Street - (4.30 BB)

Hero: J 8 A K Q Q___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 6 4 K 5___calls

River - (6.30 BB)

Hero: J 8 A K Q Q 5___checks___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 6 4 K 5 xx___bets

Total pot: (8.30 BB - $83)

Results (in white):[color:white]

Total pot $83 | Rake $1

Note: this site shuffles the hole cards.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $83 | Rake $1
Seat 2: horse_winner mucked [Jh 8s Ac Ks Qs Qh 5c] - a pair of Queens
Seat 5: DarealKJchoi folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: BigMaverick showed [9h 3d 6h 4c Kd 5d 2h] and won ($82) with a straight, Six high

[/color]
hmmmmmm

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Old 02-03-2009, 02:40 AM   #38
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Re: **!!**GD S IM NOT F AROUND N E MORE (!) FEB LC OH FISCHUL**!!**

Villain is a 2p2er, claims to have folded an 8-6. Should I believe him?

I consider Villain to be a very strong Razz player; does that make the river a check/call?

Oh, and my apologies for the CONTENT...

Razz ($10/$20), Ante $1.50, Bring-In $3 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.05 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 4___completes
Seat 3: xx xx 4___calls
Hero: 7 5 A___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 7___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 9___brings-in___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 6___folds
Seat 8: xx xx A___folds

4th Street - (4.35 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 4 8___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 4 9___folds
Hero: 7 5 A 6___bets

5th Street - (3.18 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 4 8 4___calls
Hero: 7 5 A 6 K___bets

6th Street - (5.18 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 4 8 4 A___bets
Hero: 7 5 A 6 K 7___checks___calls

River - (7.18 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx 4 8 4 A xx___folds
Hero: 7 5 A 6 K 7 3___bets

Total pot: (7.18 BB - $143.50)

The reason I check 6th is because I fully expect that Villain doesn't give me credit for a made 7 based on my passive play on 3rd, and the Ace rarely paired him (he'd have to have the case Ace in the hole). He probably raises me with most of his made 8s.

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Old 02-03-2009, 04:43 AM   #39
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Hopefully the rest of the month is better, I got a feeling that there is a 93% chance of that happening, but you never know:

7 Card Stud High-Low ($15/$30), Ante $3, Bring-In $5 (converter)

Seat 1: $87.50
Seat 3: $150
Seat 4: $828.50
Seat 5: $1,990.50
Seat 6: $863
Hero: $1,017

3rd Street - (1.2 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx Q ___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 5 ___brings-in ___folds
Seat 4: xx xx Q ___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 8 ___calls ___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 6 ___folds
Hero: A 3 A ___completes

4th Street - (4.533333333333333 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx Q 4 ___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 8 A ___calls
Hero: A 3 A A ___bets

5th Street - (3.2666666666666666 BB)

Seat 5: xx xx 8 A 8 ___calls
Hero: A 3 A A 9 ___bets

6th Street - (5.266666666666667 BB)

Seat 5: xx xx 8 A 8 K ___calls
Hero: A 3 A A 9 8 ___bets

River - (7.266666666666667 BB)

Seat 5: xx xx 8 A 8 K xx ___raises
Hero: A 3 A A 9 8 5 ___bets ___calls

Total pot: (11.266666666666667 BB - $338.00)

Results:

Total pot $338 | Rake $3

Note: this site shuffles the hole cards.

Seat 5: [Ks Jh 8s As 8h Kh 8c] -

JUST WOW !!!!!


I know on the end you want to get value from all two pairs, but when he calls 4th facing the open Aces (just for the sake of discussion, assuming this guy is reasonable) and he's got A 8 , you'd have to figure he has a big draw ... like 4 baby spades most likely ... giving him 8 outs to flush the end (which he'll raise, but we should often fill I know, but ignoring that for this hand - i.e we should bet but just exploit this spot) vs 9 outs for two pair and 2 for trips (which he'll raise and never be good) - Also, he doesn't always call with two pair ... so say half the time he does ... then


(I just put them in terms of outs but the math is the same as %s obv).

so EV of bet/call = -2*8 + 1*4.5 + 2*2 = -15.5 (Ignoring he's animal enough to bluff raise the end).

whereas EV of c/c = -1*8 + 1*2 + (% bluffs) > -6 (Could stab given you should be v-betting here)

so EV(c/c) = 2.5*EV(b/c)


I know it's sick not to value bet here, and terrible for metagame, but in a vacuum it doesn't seem so good - any thoughts ? (or have I just duffed the math as usual )

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So what should I do if i feel I've taken so many beats that I feel my play has rapidly deteriorated? Cash out roll and quit?
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i remember when poker was fun

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does it have a correlation to the economy? or are there too many instructional sites? i used to remember sngs were so crushable. now im just happy with a 5% roi
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JUST WOW !!!!!


I know on the end you want to get value from all two pairs, but when he calls 4th facing the open Aces (just for the sake of discussion, assuming this guy is reasonable) and he's got A 8 , you'd have to figure he has a big draw ... like 4 baby spades most likely ... giving him 8 outs to flush the end (which he'll raise, but we should often fill I know, but ignoring that for this hand - i.e we should bet but just exploit this spot) vs 9 outs for two pair and 2 for trips (which he'll raise and never be good) - Also, he doesn't always call with two pair ... so say half the time he does ... then


(I just put them in terms of outs but the math is the same as %s obv).

so EV of bet/call = -2*8 + 1*4.5 + 2*2 = -15.5 (Ignoring he's animal enough to bluff raise the end).

whereas EV of c/c = -1*8 + 1*2 + (% bluffs) > -6 (Could stab given you should be v-betting here)

so EV(c/c) = 2.5*EV(b/c)


I know it's sick not to value bet here, and terrible for metagame, but in a vacuum it doesn't seem so good - any thoughts ? (or have I just duffed the math as usual )
I should have added my opponent was a TOTAL nut, 100%, I should have folded to the river raise but it was worth looking him up.

Your analysis is correct given a standard situation, but it wasn't one here. This guy was the one feeding the game. He ran up 2500 and busted it all within 2 hours, in a 15/30 game!
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uhmnnnn really????



a little help please!?!? it was the night of 1000 premium hands that were never meant to be.
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SG, my FTP chat is banned so I couldn't say anything, but why were you slummin' it with us down at 3/6?
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does it have a correlation to the economy? or are there too many instructional sites? i used to remember sngs were so crushable. now im just happy with a 5% roi
UIGEA + economy + instructional sites

and 5% really isnt bad as long as you play at least $20 games.
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uhmnnnn really????



a little help please!?!? it was the night of 1000 premium hands that were never meant to be.
has anyone run worse than you for 8+ months? jeez. got to turn around sometime for you.
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Nice to know my VPIP isn't as ridiculous as I thought it was. Showdown % is omg brutal.


I think self-banning for a week does a world of good for clearing your head/refreshing you so you can play your best. I'm a tiltbox though.
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I think self-banning for a week does a world of good for clearing your head/refreshing you so you can play your best. I'm a tiltbox though.
I think we're the two biggest tiltboxes that posts in this thread...

just sayin'
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I think we're the two biggest tiltboxes that posts in this thread...

just sayin'
LDO, I think Ceegee might be on the list as well. I blame it on being young, and am trying to fix it (slowly).

Let's just bink 1,2 in the FTOPS Razz, then no one can be angry!
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