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Full bet with pair on 4th rule in stud high doesn't make sense

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05-30-2019 , 11:39 PM

deuceblocker

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Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 3,383

Pairing the door card looks so strong that people will fold anyway. The rule just causes a lot of hands to end early. I guess it is just there because it is impossible to change it. I assume it was designed for really loose games with multiway pots where people would just call no matter what.

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05-31-2019 , 12:01 PM

electrical

Loaded for bear

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,280

As my friend Matt says, it's a dumb rule to appease nits who don't want their trips outdrawn.

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05-31-2019 , 02:56 PM

lstream

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,336

I've been called all kinds of times in this exact situation. By guys that had no business being in the pot. So it is not automatic that people will "fold anyway".

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06-06-2019 , 11:52 PM

Kalrex

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 239

Lots of people will call a full bet and honestly if you make a half bet most people will put you on a set versus a full bet.

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06-07-2019 , 01:15 AM

kisada

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,860

yeah that's my experience lol

somehow always surprised but never all that surprised when i trip up on the turn and bet and get called anyway

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06-11-2019 , 05:40 PM

Al Mirpuri

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5,485

Back in the day, Paradise Poker played it that you could either make a small or a full bet on 4th with a paired door and if anyone raised it would be of the size of the bet you had made.

It would be interesting if some card historian could pin point when this rule (full bet on 4th with paired door) came about.

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06-11-2019 , 06:18 PM

deuceblocker

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Originally Posted by Al Mirpuri

Stud is been around for a while, so I assume it originated at least before 1970 in loose games where people tended to call regardless.

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06-11-2019 , 07:20 PM

LUCIUS VARENUS

Soldier of Minbet

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 10,461

I feel like a lot of players aren't really paying attention to the size of the bet so much as they see a bet, especially at low stakes.

The best thing to do is to just bet the full bet every time you bet. If you could work out some GTO frequencies for betting the different sizes that would be better, but it's too hard to solve/too open to human error so as to be exploitable.

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