The 4th street action obviously seemed insane. In the heat of the moment, I just went into calldown mode. On a 1-10 with 10 being most horrible where does this rank?

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3rd Street: (1 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx T____Seat 1 calls____Seat 1 folds
Seat 2: xx xx A____Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx 6____Seat 3 completes____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx T____Seat 4 folds
Seat 5: xx xx 5____Seat 5 folds
Hero: 3 A 3___Hero brings in for $1___Hero raises
Seat 7: xx xx 7____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx 4____Seat 8 folds

4th Street: (5.25 SB) (2 players)
Seat 3: xx xx 6 3____Seat 3 raises____Seat 3 caps!
Hero: 3 A 3 Q___Hero bets___Hero 3-bets___Hero calls

5th Street: (6.625 BB) (2 players)
Seat 3: xx xx 6 3 2____Seat 3 bets
Hero: 3 A 3 Q T___Hero checks___Hero calls

6th Street: (8.625 BB) (2 players)
Seat 3: xx xx 6 3 2 8____Seat 3 bets
Hero: 3 A 3 Q T 9___Hero checks___Hero calls

7th Street: (10.625 BB) (2 players)
Seat 3: xx xx 6 3 2 8 xx____Seat 3 bets
Hero: 3 A 3 Q T 9 Q___Hero checks___Hero calls

meh, a bit spewy maybe on 4th since you have the likely lower pair ... it's not terrible though b/c his line makes zero sense and a total spew by him seems most likely.

i mean he flats 3rd then on 4th he catches terrible and u spike a good card but suddenly his hand is gold ... i don't think i'd 3-bet but it's hard to give him credit for exactly (63)6.

i'd prob c/r the end since his line looks so spewy he might not even have a pair. i mean it's (63)6 or nothing really. i think you missed a good spot here for a bet.

I paniced and put him on 45. Its rare I see this level of nonsense even at 7 and 8 game. Doesnt his range have to be (45)6 (66)6 or a really dead (AA)6 in this spot?

missed a reshnizzle on 7th!!!!! I'll rate it a 7.3281754 because you were behind when the small bets went in, missed the reshnizzle on 7th, but had equity to chase because you committed too early in the hand. Frankly i think the both of you played the hand poorly, both over-playing your weenie pairs without much to draw for... just draws for draws(you were drawing to get a flush-draw, but weren't actually ON the flush-draw)

thing is since you could easily have a flush/ higher straight i think it's tough for him to 3-bet you on the end, but given how this played out i think u'd have to call the 3-bet.

i'm thinking..."rolled phoned, it's for you"

I'm not sure about his raise on 3rd, but a lot depends on what seat 1 is playing like.

I was thinking rolled 6s, I wouldn't expect 456 mainly because of the raise on 3rd. 636 could be part of his range as he knows you can't be rolled and probably have a big pair in the hole since you raised on 3rd as all the dead spades mean you unlikely have a flush draw.

He could also have KK in the hole and doesn't give you aces with one dead and besides if you do he'll know when you 2 pair.

Call down seem fine by me, but I'm more scared of rolled 6s.

I`d like the 3bet on 4th alot more if spades were live. Especially if villain is observant enough to realize that a potential fd is somewhat dead.

Why did you reraise 3rd? I would just call since your hand is so dead.

Also what are peoples general lines with these types of hands HU vs multiway? I generally play them very passive HU and show them down unimproved. I guess multiway theres more incentive to RR third since you will rarely be showing down unimproved.

It's a pretty standard steal defense line - your opponent could have no pair and not much of a hand at all here, he might give up on 3rd, and even if he does not, it may prevent him from betting 4th again with no hand.

Edit: I actually misremembered the hand a little - I thought completer was closer to the bringin. With many opponents it's still correct to consider the completer as being in steal position, but for some other opponents they will have at least a pair here, which makes raising a bit spewy perhaps.

With both 3s live and 2 aces I wanted to represent strength and also get heads up if possible facing a raise form a low upcard. I almost always would either fold or raise in that spot.

I don't really get the point of trying to rep strength. Do you think people are folding better hands? I really doubt anyone is folding any pair and you have a weak up card.

I know people hate analogies between games but this seems similar to calling down with ace high in limit holdem. You would never raise ace high as a bluff in limit, you would be much more inclined to just call down. That kinda seems like the case here.

The getting heads up part is far more important, but the repping strength is a side effect on opportunities to play the hand as the cards fall.

Grunching.

If you lose, it's to three sixes, and rolled hands are pretty rare. I wouldn't think twice about (45)6. Very few people will pound a little open-ender on Fourth.

I don't see a problem with the raise on Third (it worked for isolation as intended) or anything on Fourth. You have to play this hand fast sometimes in order to play your big hands fast, guy looks like he's going nuts with one pair or an unlikely two small pair, and once you build that pot you can't fold until the river with overcards and then a couple bonus flush outs.

With so many spades out you aren't repping a flush draw on Fourth, but you could convince a few villains you were. I probably bet Sixth -- occasionally get a fold from one pair, never get raised, never get a free one. Of course call the river.

You don't want to make a habit of going to war with a pair of Treys, but if you're only ever doing this with big hands you won't get value. Pick your spots. Make sure it's not an old dude with arthritis, that's all.

I would have thought this hand would play better three handed as a pair of threes is unlikely good to win and its very hard to be outdrawn when we do make two pair, trips or a flush.

With a weak pair and good suited kicker isolation is ideal. We make two small pair or Aces up much more often than something bigger, and those hands play best HU. The more players in the pot the less likely your hand is to win should you make it. Sklansky describes it as the pot odds going up less than your win percentage is going down.

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I wouldn't 3 bet 4th street, his most likely hand is a big pocket pair or two pair.. Just go into call down mode since you really can't fold at this point against either.

I like donk-leading the river.. If he does have a big pocket pair which missed or 2 small pair he may just check behind the river and we lose value.

Am I the only person who think this looks totally normal except that you missed a bet on 7th?

Stolen completley, I think from electrical.

Raising third to get it heads-up is fine, except that I would expect the limper to call most of the time. I think you could do a lot worse than folding this dog.

Is three-balling the new call-down? Once you've bloated the pot on fourth, I guess you're committed to trying to buy a second pair and hoping it's good.