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11-12-2019 , 10:54 PM

deuceblocker

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Shulman has kings; Blezniak has 8s. Kings limp on 3rd and check call all other streets. Presumably the intention was to c/r 5th, but I guess the 8's board looked connected. Dead cards are not shown.

It seems like FPS. Shouldn't the K almost always be completing into the 8? I don't see the point of it.

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11-12-2019 , 11:21 PM

electrical

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Assume the level plays as a normal 1-1-4-8 structure. In an 8-handed game the Kings win 9 by completing to 4, better than 2:1, so just taking the money is definitely preferred to letting the bring-in develop equity by limping. In a 6-handed game, the odds are 7:4, so I can see the point in letting a card peel off in the hope the 8 picks up something and calls some bets. I don't think I do it myself often, but as a once-in-a-while thing it's a reasonable low-frequency variation. I think I still c/r 5th and lead Sixth if I bother though, since we've left villain with a 100% range.

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11-12-2019 , 11:46 PM

deuceblocker

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It was 4-handed at the final table. Villain does not have 100% range, since he bet 4th and 5th.

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11-13-2019 , 08:39 PM

kisada

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prob something he does for balance in general. doesn't have to do it too often either.

quite possible they've had history with each other as well in a really similar spot.

my guess is he's 100% c/r'ing 5th as well.

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11-14-2019 , 04:56 AM

kisada

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also, villain can absolutely have a hundo range here.

king limped and checked with disconnected cards on 4th and 5th.

blezniak has 85 on 4th, and 854 on 5th, respectively, and has a lot of reasons to bet.

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11-17-2019 , 09:50 AM

RichGangi

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Originally Posted by kisada

prob something he does for balance in general. doesn't have to do it too often either.

quite possible they've had history with each other as well in a really similar spot.

This. Nick's smart, I'm sure he had his reasons.

Last edited by RichGangi; 11-17-2019 at 09:52 AM. Reason: Don't have PokerGo. I'm assuming you meant Schulman, maybe not though.

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11-17-2019 , 03:16 PM

kisada

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This. Nick's smart, I'm sure he had his reasons.

ya. i mean conventional wisdom says we raise this 100% of the time. but incorporating an occasional limp is a good thing when a good player executes it within an over-arching strategy.

also yeah it was schulman and bleznick, not shulman and blezniak. but i think we all knew who we were talking about anyway lol

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11-29-2019 , 04:46 PM

ceegee

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Theoretically limping a K here is bad. If the ante structure is a 1-1-4-8 as steve said, you need to be raising your range as there's too much incentive in the pot to limp.
The play is to raise a K door into lower cards a very high frequency.
Nick's play is an exploitative adjustment he thinks is going to be more profitable than raising here. I disagree with him.

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