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Originally Posted by Rob...Chill
Nobody has made a huge deal out of it and basically just made sure hsnd was dead and some people asked what the best course of action was.
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Why on earth are they finding so much altruism from their peers? Mixed game players are usually pretty observant. Hasn't everyone caught on after a couple of times?
Proper ruling is that they're bound to fold, duh. Keep the hole cards in the muck and replace the upcard in front of the player. When that player's turn arrives, flip over the upcard. Why would they ever be allowed to fold out of turn and then "change their mind" once, let alone repeatedly?
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
lol nah going to 7th street and hoping the ruling works out is dangerous
Worse than dangerous. That shouldn't be allowed to succeed. Now it's rewarding you for trying to re-angle. Once significant action takes place on the hand with the new upcard, you've accepted the legitimacy of the hand.
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Call the floor explain what you think is going on and having a conversation should deter future stuff
You can also give him a verbal warning yourself (non violent of course) which is effective as long as you don't have a pencil neck and a set of noodle arms. A simple, "We know what you are up to, don't try that **** here" is effective in my experience.
Floor away from the table is best. Angle shooters know what they're doing. I mean, it's fine if you want them to straighten up, but they're not an asset to the game. Best to let them get a warning then get racked up the second time they try it, opening a seat for a player who doesn't do stuff like this.
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
But I actually do think you can (and should) win a ruling should it go to 7th street.
Go to the cameras and see what the upcard was originally. I've actually been in a game before where that was done but for a different reason.
If floor ok with it, put the pot in escrow and play on until ruling comes down. If not, everyone waits.
If you know the floor well you can possibly verify that they will take it to the cameras should this happen. I have no problem punishing scammers like this.
Terrible floor ruling then. Even in normal, non-discard stud games. Once you've accepted action all the way down, you have no recourse to claim the hand is invalid. Otherwise you can freeroll: play out the hand and on 7th street declare the hand void if you missed your draws.
But this thread is about discarding games right? How would you rectify that on the river? Fish around in the muck for the discards and let them make a proper discarding decision on 7th?
Regardless, once you've accepted the 3rd street action and the dealer burns and puts out 4th (maybe even before if there's significant multiway action on 3rd) it's way too late to void a hand. Has to be that way to avoid re-angling by freerolling.
If you know the floor well and their response is "Sounds great. Let's take it to 7th street and then I'll have them escrow the pot," the kind and decent thing you could do is help them work on their résumé because they're abysmal at their job and need to find a new line of work.