No, you're not. You're thinking of THIS hand, but you've altered the details so much that a completely standard hand now sticks out in your mind as this terrible terrible beat. You're 76 draw on 4th with a K brick on 5th somehow turned into you catching a 5 and my **9K2 somehow turned into **9K8. You even described the exact session it was from and named the third party villain involved. I found the hand, dug it up and LMAO when I saw what you were crying about. I posted the hand, and now you won't even admit that you were wrong, yet still berate my imaginary plays. These sorts of things happen when you post bad beat hand after bad beat hand on the forums and find yourself unable to be unaffected from taking one at the table. You will never advance as a poker player until you stop getting so hung up over bad beats... It's really affecting you whether you realize it or not. Even to the point of you lying to yourself about the fine details of the hand.

LMAO... well I guess that solves it.

Excellent point, and good catch.

I had a tough time deciding what to do in this spot. It's still a bit murky to me. I like how you're approaching the hand though, at least you're not taking the... "easy call" or "easy fold" lines of reasoning. I applaud you for reasoning it out. I think I'm going to have to sit down and crunch this one out. FWIW, the reason I gave the 3rd and 4th raisers both 6- is because I have them both tagged as yellow on FTP which for me implies that they are super nitty. I assumed I was actually being generous by giving them 6- (and if I recall correctly, they both had 3 card wheels). I didn't want to continue in the hand if I ended up with A768 on 4th, and felt like I wouldn't be able to fold it because the pot was so big... one of my leaks. Anyhow, I decided to get away from it at the time. I'm still not convinced one way or the other yet... I'll do some deeper analysis and see if I come up with the same thing you have.

Thanks again for using logic rather than emotion in your response. Something the Stud community is severely lacking in at times.

[ ] Games are dead.
[x] was never scooping this



Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 Limit Stud Hi/Lo $0.50 Ante - 6 players
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3rd Street: (1 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 7____Seat 1 folds
Seat 3: xx xx 3____Seat 3 raises____Seat 3 caps!
Seat 5: xx xx 6____Seat 5 folds
Hero: 4 5 2___Hero brings in for $1___Hero calls___Hero calls
Seat 7: xx xx 8____Seat 7 calls____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx J____Seat 8 completes____Seat 8 3-bets____Seat 8 calls

4th Street: (13.333 SB) (3 players)
Seat 3: xx xx 3 9____Seat 3 raises____Seat 3 calls
Hero: 4 5 2 3___Hero 3-bets___Hero calls
Seat 8: xx xx J J____Seat 8 bets____Seat 8 caps!

5th Street: (12.667 BB) (3 players)
Seat 3: xx xx 3 9 5____Seat 3 bets____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls
Hero: 4 5 2 3 A___Hero raises___Hero caps!
Seat 8: xx xx J J T____Seat 8 checks____Seat 8 3-bets____Seat 8 calls

6th Street: (24.667 BB) (3 players)
Seat 3: xx xx 3 9 5 6____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 3-bets____Seat 3 calls
Hero: 4 5 2 3 A 9___Hero raises___Hero caps!
Seat 8: xx xx J J T K____Seat 8 bets____Seat 8 calls____Seat 8 calls

7th Street: (36.667 BB) (3 players)
Seat 3: xx xx 3 9 5 6 xx____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls
Hero: 4 5 2 3 A 9 A___Hero raises all in
Seat 8: xx xx J J T K xx____Seat 8 bets all in

^ you were definitely scooping it on 5th, plus, you were also on the one-outer freeroll to the steal wheel----don't forget about that.

Where is Razz Pro?

Busto ldo.

I'm thinking of a different hand.

Being busto does not prevent people from posting. It helps in my case. I mean, some cases.

Shipped the 8:45 $22 Stud tourney on PS! </barg>

Well done!

Hitting quads in Razz. Was going to SIWAS, but villain would have called me down anyway.

Full Tilt Poker $10 + $1 Limit Razz Tournament - t200/t400 Limit + t30 - 7 players
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Seat 1: t2017 M = 3.95
Seat 3: t3457 M = 6.78
Seat 4: t1309 M = 2.57
Hero (): t4958 M = 9.72
Seat 6: t2550 M = 5
Seat 7: t6571 M = 12.88
Seat 8: t6280 M = 12.31

3rd Street: (1.05 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 8____Seat 1 calls
Seat 3: xx xx J____Seat 3 brings in for $50____Seat 3 folds
Seat 4: xx xx A____Seat 4 completes
Hero: 5 3 5___Hero calls
Seat 6: xx xx 9____Seat 6 folds
Seat 7: xx xx 4____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx T____Seat 8 folds

4th Street: (4.3 SB) (3 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 8 2____Seat 1 bets
Seat 4: xx xx A 9____Seat 4 folds
Hero: 5 3 5 6___Hero checks___Hero calls

5th Street: (3.15 BB) (2 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 8 2 4____Seat 1 calls
Hero: 5 3 5 6 2___Hero bets

6th Street: (5.15 BB) (2 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 8 2 4 J____Seat 1 checks____Seat 1 calls
Hero: 5 3 5 6 2 5___Hero bets

7th Street: (7.15 BB) (2 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 8 2 4 J xx____Seat 1 checks
Hero: 5 3 5 6 2 5 5___Hero checks

Final Pot: 7.15 BB
Seat 1 shows 3 A 8 2 4 J A (8,4,3,2,A)
Hero shows 5 3 5 6 2 5 5 (a pair of Fives)
Seat 1 wins 7.15 BB

probably...

This is nice stuff, not friendly but nice. Wanted to highlight the highlights, ended up with this.

Sinus rhythm, tachycardia.

lol at btoulany calling AJ252 vs **A28

me vs 2x2p2ler



Poker Stars $30/$60 Limit Razz $5 Ante - 3 players
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3rd Street: (0.5 SB)
Hero: 9 6 3___Hero raises___Hero calls___Hero calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4____Seat 5 3-bets____Seat 5 caps!
Seat 6: xx xx 7____Seat 6 brings in for $10____Seat 6 caps!____Seat 6 calls

4th Street: (12.5 SB) (3 players)
Hero: 9 6 3 J___Hero checks___Hero calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4 K____Seat 5 bets____Seat 5 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 7 7____Seat 6 raises

5th Street: (9.25 BB) (3 players)
Hero: 9 6 3 J 2___Hero bets___Hero 3-bets___Hero calls
Seat 5: xx xx 4 K Q____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls____Seat 5 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 7 7 4____Seat 6 raises____Seat 6 caps!

6th Street: (21.25 BB) (3 players)
Hero: 9 6 3 J 2 7___Hero bets
Seat 5: xx xx 4 K Q A____Seat 5 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 7 7 4 J____Seat 6 calls

7th Street: (24.25 BB) (3 players)
Hero: 9 6 3 J 2 7 3___Hero checks
Seat 5: xx xx 4 K Q A xx____Seat 5 checks
Seat 6: xx xx 7 7 4 J xx____Seat 6 checks

b/f 7th. In this huge pot you will get all sorts of crying calls with worse hands

And if you fold 7th, you may get SIWAS'd to the tune of about $1500.

haha meant to say b/c, surely no one b/f's here

Why is calling third standard?

We're almost certainly in last place with two cards dead in a pot with only 3 antes and we're facing two bets cold.

Only good points I can see is that we have a good door card and the xx4 might raise with a worse hand or something.


Also is 5th standard?

I know about putting extra money in from the xx4KQ but we don't even have 33% in the pot. Although we increase to a 2 to 1 dog should he fold (unlikely) is it still worth it?

On 5th, I think Hero took the least desirable of his four reasonable lines -- I like check/call, check/raise, and bet/call all better than I like bet/raise.

When Hero decides to bet/raise, he has to assume that if the guy in the middle calls, this street is getting capped or at least 3-bet, and that's not good for Hero; as pointed out already, he doesn't even have 1/3 equity, and is a heads-up dog to Seat 6's range.

In order to maximize the chance that the guy in the middle folds, Hero needs to set him up to see two bets cold. Hero could check/raise here on 5th, maximizing the chance that the guy in the middle folds. Furthermore, if he check/raises, this street doesn't need to get capped; the cap bet would be on Hero, and he could refuse to put in the cap bet.

And if Hero goes for the check raise and it gets checked through, that's not awful; it also means that Hero is just about 100% sure to be the big equity favorite, and both opponents are drawing runner-runner just to beat Hero's made Jack low.

how is seat 6 drawing to runner runner to beat the J low?