Strong river-a-full-house skillz imo. very important in this game.

'Grats

/dispute

Look at the post more closely. 3.5 is my HU winrate. 2.1 is all my play combined (that means full ring and short handed). Also, HU winrate doesn't mean a whole lot. Villain selection can easily double or cut in half ones expectation.

You WERE in steal position that hand. Whether you're aware of that or not is another story.

My "gut" didn't tell me you had BS down. My mathematical analysis told me I was ahead of your range on 3rd street (or at least should have been). You can't just turn your good hands face up and say "see, you made a bad play". You have to include this with your entire range of hands. My play isn't against your good hands. My play here is against your entire range of holdings. Sometimes you will have KK7 here. Sometimes you'll have Q47, and sometimes, you'll have A27. But you're only ahead of me with about 39% of your holdings on 3rd st.

I assure you that my play here was completely standard for anyone with a clue about 3 handed razz.

If you're claiming that you don't steal from this position, then I should adjust my line to not 3betting 3rd st. But then again, if you're not stealing here, the edge I gain from you not stealing trumps the EV I lose from hands like this.

why is it called razz

lol at 1st to act not being in "steal position" in 3 handed razz. So fink in that same spot you only complete with 3 babies and fold all other hands? yea gl with that

anyone know if PRBigfish posts here? Always liked his game and it seems he never puts his money in bad and never tilts. Just wanted to say hi if you read this sir.

Probably for the same reasons I'm about to...

Obviously quoting the most boring part of this stellar trip report, but I wanted to applaud the choice of food. Edgewater/andersonville just has ridiculous eating everywhere: Sunshine Cafe for homestyle Japanese, M Henry for brunch, Patisseria Natalina for pastries, Icosium kafe for Algerian crepes. Haven't been to Great Lake for pizza but it's supposed to be legendary...

Thanks. I think Paul and Mark have a great restaurant with a stellar menu, including the brunch.

And for those in the Chicago area, Big Jones is apparently not near Wrigley. A fact apparently lost on some of us who don't routinely skateboard to our dining establishment of choice.

Seat 5 thinks its stud hi

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Seat 1: t2000 M = 23.53
Seat 2: t1725 M = 20.29
Seat 3: t1935 M = 22.76
Seat 4: t2055 M = 24.18
Seat 5: t1280 M = 15.06
Seat 6: t2220 M = 26.12
Seat 7: t1935 M = 22.76
Hero (): t2535 M = 29.82

3rd Street: (1.333 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 9____Seat 1 folds
Seat 2: xx xx 9____Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx 5____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx 3____Seat 4 folds
Seat 5: xx xx 7____Seat 5 raises____Seat 5 caps!
Seat 6: xx xx K____Seat 6 brings in for $10____Seat 6 folds
Seat 7: xx xx 2____Seat 7 calls____Seat 7 calls____Seat 7 calls
Hero: 3 5 2___Hero completes___Hero 3-bets___Hero calls

4th Street: (17.667 SB) (4 players)
Seat 3: xx xx 5 T____Seat 3 folds
Seat 5: xx xx 7 K____Seat 5 3-bets
Seat 7: xx xx 2 7____Seat 7 bets____Seat 7 calls
Hero: 3 5 2 T___Hero raises___Hero calls

5th Street: (13.333 BB) (3 players)
Seat 5: xx xx 7 K 8____Seat 5 raises____Seat 5 caps!
Seat 7: xx xx 2 7 8____Seat 7 checks____Seat 7 calls____Seat 7 calls
Hero: 3 5 2 T A___Hero bets___Hero 3-bets___Hero calls

6th Street: (25.333 BB) (3 players)
Seat 5: xx xx 7 K 8 2____Seat 5 raises____Seat 5 caps!
Seat 7: xx xx 2 7 8 7____Seat 7 calls____Seat 7 calls
Hero: 3 5 2 T A Q___Hero bets___Hero 3-bets___Hero calls

7th Street: (37.333 BB) (3 players)
Seat 5: xx xx 7 K 8 2 xx____Seat 5 raises____Seat 5 caps!
Seat 7: xx xx 2 7 8 7 xx____Seat 7 calls____Seat 7 calls
Hero: 3 5 2 T A Q 4___Hero bets___Hero 3-bets___Hero calls

Final Pot: 49.333 BB
Seat 5 shows K J 7 K 8 2 8 (K,J,8,7,2)
Seat 7 shows 7 5 2 7 8 7 4 (8,7,5,4,2)
Hero shows 3 5 2 T A Q 4 (5,4,3,2,A)
Hero wins 49.333 BB

Rainman, I didn't say your 3rd street play was bad. It was mainly your call on 5th that was bad. It looks to me like you got yourself pot commited and therfefore made a wtf call. I'm pretty sure most will agree that calling (a2)9q8 against **765 board is a bad play.

LMAO, did you even read the hand?

Best part is, I'm suppose to be raising here, but I gave you respect.

Thoughts here? (Note: I assumed there were probably 1 or 2 dead Aces down in villains hands, so my hand isn't quite as bad as it looks...)


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3rd Street: (1.312 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 7____Seat 1 folds
Seat 2: xx xx 2____Seat 2 raises
Seat 3: xx xx 5____Seat 3 folds
Seat 4: xx xx 2____Seat 4 3-bets
Seat 6: xx xx T____Seat 6 brings in for $2____Seat 6 folds
Seat 7: xx xx 3____Seat 7 completes____Seat 7 caps!
Hero: 7 A 6___Hero calls___Hero folds


Let's start with some assumptions: I gave villains the following ranges

ProPokerTools Razz Simulation

306,952 trials (Randomized)

dead cards: 75T

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
(7-7-2)	27.57%	83,938	1,363
(6-6-2)	28.26%	85,996	1,505
(6-6-3)	26.26%	79,906	1,388
A67	17.91%	54,723	528

I calculated in my head that I'd need ~20% equity to call $24 cold on 3rd st, however, I later realized that i miscalced and forgot about the $24 that was guaranteed to go in later. Either way, I think this hand is really close... Pot had $92.50 and I had to call $24 cold with $24 more guaranteed to follow closing the action. So, $116.50 in pot, costs me 24 to see 4th.

i hate that fold, i never would fold there.

Congratulations, you sir are the founding member of my ignore list.

I don't know if you are really as bad as your posts here, I can't imagine you are. I'm convinced that you are intentionally misleading everyone here as a level to keep the games as soft as you can. Surely you're not as bad as you lead everyone here to believe by your posts.

FWIW, your betting line assessment accuracy ratio on 2+2 has to be around 5% correct... on a good day.

Why?

I like your fold. Your draw is dead; there's been multi-way action and your draw is to a rough 7. Not a favorable situation. I would probably fold it first time through though.

Welcome to the March C thread.

I'm thinking of a different hand.

My suggestion for April: Low Content, No Content and Attempted Content Threads ftw.

depends?

Nah.. I 3-bet pre, showing him that I have a 3 card hand. http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...65&h3=&h4=&h5=

If he thought I was 3-bet bluffing, he certainly had the wrong image of me.

Oh balls, this is all content and I apologize but here goes.

You shouldn't make such an assumption, but if you are correct, it actually hurts your hand. When two hands share a dead card, the hand with the better rankings gains significantly in equity. Run some sims to see what I mean. You should always consider unseen cards unknown when making preliminary assessments.

Such guesses only matter (only improve your hand) if you can reliably put the Aces in the folded hands, not the live ones.
Your equity position is extremely volatile on Third with so many little cards out. Fourth street will tell you so much, and usually give you either an easy fold or an opportunity to raise and shorten the field that folding this hand is very bad. Also, I think you are being overly respectful of opponents' ranges. You can be somewhat more realistic by opening their ranges up a little.

Your hot-and-cold equity on Third is of secondary importance while equity is so volatile. This hand is not going to remain multi-way for long (you shouldn't allow it to, I mean), and if you catch a good card you're either going to be able to get it heads-up on the next street or get a bunch of money in with a nice overlay. If you don't catch, you have a trivially easy fold.

In short, you have excellent implied odds and no reason to put another bet in if you don't have a good Fourth street situation. You should play here.

Yeah but I was being picky when you said **765