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Can I find a list of starting hands by rank anywhere? Can I find a list of starting hands by rank anywhere?

06-15-2018 , 09:27 AM
(I mean for Stud8)

Similar to how propokertools lists all starting hands from hold em and omaha? I realize things change in this game depending on what cards others are showing, but I was still hoping to check out a list in a vacuum for educational purposes. I imagine it would look something like:

AAA
222
333
444
555
666
777
888
KKK
QQQ
JJJ
TTT
999
A23s? or AA2s?
etc etc etc...
Can I find a list of starting hands by rank anywhere? Quote
06-15-2018 , 11:02 AM
Like a Hoover vacuum?

Also depends on amount of players in pot.

HU rather have AA2 than 345o but multi-way things change

Ray Zee's book or SS2 walks through the various hands decently well.

But next to rollups, three suited babies with straight potential are next best hands
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06-15-2018 , 02:51 PM
We could have a fun discussion over whether 222 or KKK is better but I'm not sure it would be worth the time spent. I guess the runner-runner-runner-runner low is more common than trips over trips.

As Scotch says it's highly situational depending on upcards, number of players, strength of different opponents, etc. so your primary concern shouldn't be following a chart. That said I always find those answers a little unsatisfying. If you held everything constant you probably could make a chart, but the chart would need tweaking as soon as one of the assumptions went out the window. Such a chart wouldn't be worthless, but it would be dangerous if you didn't know how much you needed to tweak it.

Maybe pedagogically better is to identify marginal hands of each type and construct examples where you'd raise, call, or fold them. For example:


8(74)
8(74)
4(78)

and so forth. What action, opponents, upcards would make you want to play those? Here, I'll make up an example:

$20/40 mix game, 7 card stud 8 or better.

Most players are recreational. Seat 4 seems to know all the games well. We are Seat 1.

$3 ante
Seat 6 bring-in for $5 with 3
J fold
9 fold
We have 8(74)


Behind us are
6
K
4


So yeah, invent some synthetic examples like I just did and post them for discussion!
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06-15-2018 , 04:53 PM
Phil Hellmuth's Play Poker Like the Pros has some silly limit hold'em advice but other games are actually covered well in terms of a basic intro.

Think he has a ranking in there.
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06-20-2018 , 04:39 PM
Ray Zee's "High Low Split Poker for Advanced Players" is your best stud8/O8 resource.

Your list also misses the best stud8 starting hands: 3 consecutive low suited cards, e.g. (3 4) 5
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06-23-2018 , 06:29 AM
To be honest, thinking of hands this way is, IMO, a huge mistake. There's a continuum that goes from always playable hands to never playable hands, and the ones in between depend on circumstance. Those that are higher up can obviously be played in a higher percentage of circumstances. Learning how to think of hands in this way, rather than trying to rank them, is the way to approach Stud/8
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06-24-2018 , 12:44 AM
I believe that these originally came from the Pokerstove site and were converted to Propokertools format:

Code:
1	AAA
2	888
3	777
4	666
5	555
6	444
7	KKK
8	QQQ
9	JJJ
10	222
11	TTT
12	333
13	999
14	(A43)
15	(A42)
16	(A53)
17	(A32)
18	(A54)
19	(A52)
20	(543)
21	(A63)
22	(A65)
23	(A64)
24	(A62)
25	(532)
26	(654)
27	(542)
28	(432)
29	(A74)
30	(653)
31	(643)
32	(765)
33	(A75)
34	(A72)
35	(A73)
36	(A76)
37	(652)
38	(642)
39	(632)
40	(754)
41	(764)
42	(753)
43	(743)
44	(A85)
45	(763)
46	(A84)
47	(752)
48	(732)
49	A(A4)
50	(A82)
51	(742)
52	(A3)5
53	A(53)
54	A(43)
55	A(42)
56	A(A5)
57	(A83)
58	A(32)
59	A(A6)
60	A(A3)
61	A(A2)
62	(A5)3
63	(A3)2
64	A(A7)
65	(A86)
66	(A4)5
67	(A3)4
68	(A4)2
69	(A2)4
70	(865)
71	(A2)3
72	A(54)
73	AA4
74	(A2)5
75	(A4)3
76	A(52)
77	AA5
78	(A5)4
79	5(43)
80	(53)4
81	(876)
82	(65)4
83	(54)3
84	AA6
85	(762)
86	A42
87	A32
88	(A5)2
89	543
90	(42)3
91	A53
92	AA2
93	6(54)
94	5(32)
95	AA7
96	(53)2
97	4(32)
98	(43)2
99	5(42)
100	(54)2
101	A54
102	A52
103	A43
104	AA3
105	(52)4
106	(52)3
107	(A87)
108	(A4)6
109	(64)5
110	A(A8)
111	(A6)3
112	(63)5
113	A(65)
114	A(63)
115	654
116	(63)4
117	A(64)
118	(854)
119	(A2)6
120	432
121	A(62)
122	(A3)6
123	(A6)5
124	(A6)4
125	(875)
126	6(53)
127	6(43)
128	(A5)6
129	(864)
130	(65)3
131	(64)3
132	532
133	(A6)2
134	(853)
135	(842)
136	542
137	(852)
138	(843)
139	AA8
140	(A4)7
141	(A5)7
142	7(65)
143	(A3)7
144	(832)
145	(76)5
146	6(42)
147	(863)
148	(64)2
149	A64
150	A(75)
151	(A7)5
152	(862)
153	643
154	A62
155	(874)
156	(62)4
157	A63
158	(A2)7
159	(A7)4
160	7(54)
161	653
162	(62)5
163	765
164	(75)6
165	(75)4
166	6(32)
167	(A6)7
168	(74)5
169	(65)2
170	(62)3
171	A(74)
172	A(73)
173	A(72)
174	(A7)3
175	(A7)2
176	(63)2
177	A65
178	6(52)
179	A74
180	(A7)6
181	7(64)
182	(76)4
183	A(76)
184	(74)6
185	A75
186	(872)
187	7(53)
188	7(43)
189	A73
190	(873)
191	652
192	(73)5
193	(74)3
194	642
195	A72
196	764
197	754
198	(75)3
199	(73)4
200	632
201	A76
202	7(63)
203	(76)3
204	7(42)
205	753
206	(73)6
207	5(5A)
208	(AK3)
209	6(6A)
210	7(52)
211	(72)4
212	(AK6)
213	(AK4)
214	(A8)3
215	7(32)
216	7(7A)
217	(A3)8
218	(72)5
219	(75)2
220	(72)3
221	(73)2
222	A(84)
223	(A8)5
224	8(65)
225	4(4A)
226	(A5)8
227	(A4)8
228	(A8)2
229	7(62)
230	2(2A)
231	A(83)
232	(AK2)
233	A(AQ)
234	(85)6
235	(86)5
236	(AT2)
237	(AK5)
238	A(AJ)
239	763
240	3(3A)
241	(AJ2)
242	(A2)8
243	8(76)
244	(74)2
245	A(85)
246	(AQ5)
247	A(A9)
248	(87)6
249	743
250	(76)2
251	(AQ6)
252	(AQ2)
253	A(AT)
254	(A6)8
255	(A8)6
256	8(8A)
257	(86)7
258	(72)6
259	(AQ4)
260	(AQ3)
261	A(AK)
262	(A8)4
263	44A
264	A84
265	A82
266	(AK7)
267	(AJ4)
268	AAQ
269	732
270	55A
271	(AT7)
272	(AT3)
273	(AJ5)
274	(A94)
275	A(86)
276	A(82)
277	(AT4)
278	(AJ3)
279	(A96)
280	(A93)
281	66A
282	(AT5)
283	(AJ6)
284	AAJ
285	762
286	77A
287	(AJ7)
288	AAT
289	AAK
290	(A7)8
291	(A8)7
292	(976)
293	(85)7
294	752
295	(AT6)
296	(AK8)
297	742
298	A85
299	A83
300	(AQ7)
301	(A95)
302	8(54)
303	88A
304	(84)5
305	33A
306	22A
307	A86
308	865
309	8(75)
310	(85)4
311	(AQ8)
312	AA9
313	(A92)
314	876
315	8(64)
316	(87)5
317	(84)6
318	(86)4
319	(A97)
320	(987)
321	(K54)
322	(AT8)
323	(AJ8)
324	(A98)
325	875
326	(85)2
327	(K53)
328	A(87)
329	(83)5
330	(85)3
331	(84)2
332	4(43)
333	(K65)
334	(K42)
335	A87
336	(965)
337	8(53)
338	8(42)
339	8(32)
340	(83)4
341	5(52)
342	(K43)
343	(K32)
344	(84)7
345	(86)3
346	(82)5
347	(84)3
348	7(76)
349	6(64)
350	(K75)
351	854
352	(83)2
353	5(54)
354	4(45)
355	4(42)
356	864
357	8(52)
358	(83)6
359	7(75)
360	6(65)
361	5(56)
362	5(53)
363	4(47)
364	(K52)
365	(986)
366	8(74)
367	8(62)
368	(87)4
369	(82)3
370	6(67)
371	4(46)
372	(T87)
373	(K63)
374	(K62)
375	(975)
376	8(43)
377	(82)6
378	(82)4
379	7(74)
380	5(57)
381	(Q65)
382	(K76)
383	(K64)
384	(86)2
385	(Q54)
386	K(KA)
387	(K74)
388	(J53)
389	8(63)
390	8(87)
391	6(63)
392	2(25)
393	2(24)
394	6(62)
395	(T76)
396	(T43)
397	(Q75)
398	(Q52)
399	(Q32)
400	(K86)
401	(J75)
402	(954)
403	832
404	7(78)
405	3(35)
406	(T54)
407	(Q62)
408	(Q43)
409	(K73)
410	(J64)
411	(J32)
412	842
413	8(85)
414	7(73)
415	665
416	(T32)
417	(J72)
418	(963)
419	862
420	556
421	3(37)
422	(T53)
423	(Q76)
424	(Q74)
425	(Q64)
426	(Q63)
427	(Q53)
428	(J76)
429	(J74)
430	(J65)
431	(J54)
432	853
433	843
434	8(86)
435	775
436	554
437	3(34)
438	2(26)
439	2(23)
440	(T86)
441	(T65)
442	(T63)
443	(T52)
444	(J87)
445	(J63)
446	(J52)
447	(J43)
448	(J42)
449	(953)
450	(942)
451	(932)
452	852
453	443
454	3(36)
455	(T64)
456	(T62)
457	(Q73)
458	(Q42)
459	(K87)
460	(J62)
461	(AJT)
462	(973)
463	874
464	8(72)
465	8(83)
466	(87)2
467	776
468	7(72)
469	445
470	KKA
471	(943)
472	(82)7
473	6(68)
474	5(58)
475	557
476	553
477	446
478	(T74)
479	(K72)
480	(AKQ)
481	(985)
482	863
483	8(73)
484	8(84)
485	(83)7
486	774
487	664
488	552
489	442
490	(T75)
491	(T73)
492	(T42)
493	(J73)
494	(964)
495	(962)
496	(952)
497	8(82)
498	(87)3
499	663
500	3(32)
501	2(27)
502	(T72)
503	(Q86)
504	(Q72)
505	(K84)
506	(AQT)
507	(AKJ)
508	4(48)
509	(T98)
510	Q(QA)
511	(K85)
512	(J85)
513	(AKT)
514	(974)
515	667
516	225
517	223
518	(Q85)
519	773
520	(QJT)
521	(K82)
522	(AQJ)
523	(972)
524	887
525	226
526	K(K5)
527	(K83)
528	J(JA)
529	(J84)
530	662
531	447
532	335
533	(Q84)
534	885
535	(T84)
536	K(K7)
537	(J82)
538	872
539	772
540	224
541	(T82)
542	(JT9)
543	(J86)
544	886
545	334
546	(Q82)
547	K(K8)
548	873
549	(Q87)
550	(Q83)
551	(JT8)
552	884
553	778
554	3(38)
555	(T85)
556	QQA
557	(KQT)
558	K(K4)
559	(984)
560	(983)
561	(T97)
562	(J98)
563	(AT9)
564	336
565	332
566	T(TA)
567	(T83)
568	(KQJ)
569	K(K6)
570	K(K3)
571	K(K2)
572	(J83)
573	(982)
574	883
575	882
576	668
577	448
578	337
579	558
580	KK5
581	(KJT)
582	2(28)
583	227
584	(AJ9)
585	(QT9)
586	9(9A)
587	(QT8)
588	KK7
589	(AK9)
590	KK6
591	JJA
592	TTA
593	KK8
594	KK3
595	KK4
596	228
597	Q(Q8)
598	Q(Q6)
599	Q(Q5)
600	(QJ9)
601	(QJ8)
602	K(KT)
603	K(KJ)
604	(AQ9)
605	338
606	Q(Q7)
607	Q(Q4)
608	K(K9)
609	Q(Q3)
610	Q(Q2)
611	(KQ6)
612	K(KQ)
613	(A4)K
614	(T96)
615	J(J7)
616	(AK)5
617	(AK)3
618	Q(QK)
619	(Q98)
620	(KT9)
621	KK2
622	(JT7)
623	A(K4)
624	(97)8
625	(96)7
626	QQ8
627	A(K5)
628	(AK)4
629	8(8Q)
630	(KQ8)
631	(KQ7)
632	(KQ5)
633	(KJ2)
634	(J97)
635	A(K3)
636	A(K2)
637	(A4)Q
638	(AQ)3
639	99A
640	7(79)
641	Q(QT)
642	QQ7
643	(KJ8)
644	A(Q5)
645	(AT)5
646	(A5)Q
647	(A3)K
648	(AK)7
649	(AK)2
650	9(87)
651	9(76)
652	(98)7
653	8(8T)
654	(KT8)
655	(KT6)
656	(KQ2)
657	A(J4)
658	(AT)4
659	(AT)2
660	(A6)Q
661	(A2)Q
662	(A2)K
663	(AK)6
664	(A2)J
665	7(7K)
666	Q(QJ)
667	QQ5
668	QQ3
669	(KQ9)
670	(KQ3)
671	(K98)
672	(K97)
673	J(J8)
674	A(T3)
675	A(Q4)
676	A(Q2)
677	(AQ)4
678	(AQ)2
679	(A5)K
680	(AJ)3
681	8(8K)
682	8(8J)
683	8(89)
684	7(7Q)
685	7(7J)
686	(KT7)
687	(KJ7)
688	(KJ5)
689	A(Q3)
690	A(K6)
691	(A4)T
692	(A3)Q
693	(AQ)5
694	(A3)J
695	(A6)9
696	4(4K)
697	T(T7)
698	(KQ4)
699	KKT
700	KKQ
701	KKJ
702	(KJ9)
703	JJ8
704	J(J6)
705	A(T6)
706	A(T4)
707	A(T2)
708	A(J2)
709	(A2)T
710	(AT)3
711	(AQ)6
712	(AJ)2
713	(A4)9
714	(97)6
715	7(7T)
716	(QT6)
717	(QJ5)
718	(K96)
719	(K95)
720	J(JQ)
721	J(J4)
722	A(J7)
723	A(J5)
724	(A3)T
725	(AT)6
726	(A7)Q
727	(A6)K
728	(A6)J
729	(A4)J
730	(AJ)5
731	(A5)9
732	(A9)4
733	Q(Q9)
734	QQ6
735	(QJ7)
736	(QJ3)
737	(KT4)
738	J(J5)
739	A(T7)
740	A(K7)
741	(A7)T
742	(AT)7
743	(AQ)7
744	(AJ)4
745	6(6Q)
746	5(5J)
747	T(87)
748	QQ4
749	QQ2
750	(QJ6)
751	(QJ4)
752	(KT2)
753	KK9
754	(KJ6)
755	(KJ4)
756	(K94)
757	AK3
758	A(T5)
759	A(J3)
760	(A5)T
761	(A7)J
762	(A2)9
763	(A9)5
764	9(65)
765	88K
766	6(69)
767	5(5K)
768	(KT3)
769	(KJ3)
770	(K93)
771	(JT2)
772	J(JK)
773	J(J2)
774	AQ4
775	AK2
776	A(Q6)
777	A(96)
778	A(95)
779	A(94)
780	(A6)T
781	(A9)3
782	9(98)
783	T(T8)
784	T(T6)
785	T(T4)
786	(QT7)
787	(QT3)
788	(QT2)
789	(KT5)
790	J(JT)
791	(J96)
792	A(Q7)
793	(A7)K
794	(A5)J
795	(AJ)7
796	987
797	976
798	(98)6
799	6(6K)
800	5(5Q)
801	T(TK)
802	(T95)
803	(T7)8
804	(QT5)
805	QQJ
806	(Q95)
807	JJ5
808	J(J3)
809	(J93)
810	AQ2
811	AK4
812	A(J6)
813	A(97)
814	(A8)T
815	(A3)9
816	9(97)
817	(95)6
818	77K
819	(QJ2)
820	(Q97)
821	(Q96)
822	(JT6)
823	(JT4)
824	(JT3)
825	(J95)
826	A(92)
827	(A9)2
828	9(96)
829	(96)8
830	4(4J)
831	3(3K)
832	T(T5)
833	(T94)
834	(T8)7
835	(T6)7
836	(QT4)
837	QQT
838	QQK
839	AQ3
840	(AT)8
841	(AJ)6
842	(A7)9
843	(A9)7
844	9(75)
845	88T
846	88Q
847	889
848	77T
849	77Q
850	55K
851	4(4T)
852	T(TQ)
853	T(TJ)
854	(T93)
855	(K92)
856	(K6)5
857	(K4)5
858	(JT5)
859	AT7
860	AT4
861	AK5
862	AJ2
863	A(93)
864	(A8)J
865	(A9)6
866	9(86)
867	(96)5
868	88J
869	TT8
870	T(T2)
871	(T92)
872	(Q93)
873	JJ7
874	JJ2
875	(J94)
876	(J92)
877	AT2
878	AQ5
879	AJ3
880	(AK)8
881	(A8)9
882	(A9)8
883	(95)7
884	6(6J)
885	2(2Q)
886	2(2K)
887	T(76)
888	(T7)6
889	J(J9)
890	JJ6
891	JJ3
892	AJ4
893	A(T8)
894	(A8)K
895	(AJ)8
896	9(94)
897	77J
898	6(6T)
899	5(5T)
900	5(59)
901	4(4Q)
902	T(T9)
903	TT7
904	TT6
905	K(43)
906	K(42)
907	(K6)4
908	JJQ
909	JJ4
910	AT5
911	AT3
912	AK7
913	A94
914	A(J8)
915	A(98)
916	(A8)Q
917	(97)5
918	779
919	T87
920	T(T3)
921	QQ9
922	(Q94)
923	(Q4)5
924	(K5)6
925	(K4)6
926	(K5)4
927	JJK
928	AT8
929	AK6
930	A97
931	A92
932	A(K8)
933	9(95)
934	66K
935	2(2J)
936	Q(54)
937	K(65)
938	K(53)
939	K(52)
940	(K4)3
941	JJT
942	AQ6
943	AJ5
944	(AQ)8
945	9(9K)
946	9(93)
947	9(92)
948	66Q
949	4(49)
950	2(2T)
951	TTQ
952	TTK
953	(Q92)
954	(K3)5
955	AT6
956	AQ7
957	A96
958	A93
959	9(9T)
960	9(9J)
961	44K
962	22K
963	TT5
964	Q(65)
965	(QJ)T
966	(Q5)4
967	(Q4)3
968	K(54)
969	(K5)2
970	(K4)2
971	AJ7
972	A95
973	A(Q8)
974	997
975	55Q
976	44Q
977	33K
978	T(98)
979	T(86)
980	T(53)
981	Q(76)
982	(Q6)5
983	K(64)
984	(K5)7
985	(K4)7
986	(K7)5
987	(K2)5
988	(K5)3
989	(K2)4
990	(K2)3
991	(J4)5
992	AJ6
993	9(85)
994	9(9Q)
995	995
996	3(3Q)
997	TT4
998	(T6)5
999	Q(64)
1000	Q(62)
1001	Q(42)
1002	(Q5)7
1003	(Q6)4
1004	(Q3)5
1005	(Q3)2
1006	(K6)7
1007	(K7)6
1008	(K3)6
1009	(K6)3
1010	(K3)4
1011	(K3)2
1012	(J8)7
1013	(J6)5
1014	(J3)5
1015	(J5)4
1016	986
1017	998
1018	669
1019	T(64)
1020	TT3
1021	TT2
1022	(T6)8
1023	(T8)6
1024	Q(52)
1025	(Q5)6
1026	K(75)
1027	K(63)
1028	K(62)
1029	J(54)
1030	(J7)8
1031	(J4)3
1032	AJ8
1033	9(63)
1034	(96)4
1035	(93)5
1036	(95)4
1037	66T
1038	3(3T)
1039	3(3J)
1040	2(29)
1041	T76
1042	Q(53)
1043	(QT)J
1044	(Q6)7
1045	(Q4)6
1046	(Q5)2
1047	(Q3)4
1048	(K7)3
1049	J(87)
1050	(J3)4
1051	(J2)4
1052	(J2)3
1053	A98
1054	975
1055	99K
1056	996
1057	66J
1058	55J
1059	T(54)
1060	TTJ
1061	(T3)6
1062	(T6)4
1063	(T4)5
1064	(T5)4
1065	(T5)2
1066	Q(63)
1067	(Q4)7
1068	J(75)
1069	J(65)
1070	J(53)
1071	J(42)
1072	JJ9
1073	(J2)6
1074	965
1075	9(64)
1076	9(62)
1077	9(53)
1078	99T
1079	(92)6
1080	55T
1081	559
1082	T(75)
1083	T(43)
1084	(T8)9
1085	(T9)8
1086	(T4)6
1087	(T6)3
1088	(T5)3
1089	(Q2)5
1090	(Q2)3
1091	K32
1092	K(76)
1093	K(32)
1094	(K3)7
1095	(K6)2
1096	J(32)
1097	(J4)7
1098	(J7)5
1099	(J2)5
1100	(J5)3
1101	994
1102	(95)8
1103	(98)5
1104	(97)4
1105	(93)6
1106	44J
1107	3(39)
1108	T(63)
1109	(T5)7
1110	(T4)7
1111	(T4)3
1112	Q(75)
1113	Q(32)
1114	(Q5)3
1115	(Q2)4
1116	K43
1117	K(74)
1118	(K8)6
1119	(K2)7
1120	(K2)6
1121	J(64)
1122	J(62)
1123	J(43)
1124	(J5)7
1125	(J7)6
1126	(J7)3
1127	(J5)6
1128	(J4)6
1129	(J4)2
1130	9(52)
1131	992
1132	(95)3
1133	(95)2
1134	(92)4
1135	T(74)
1136	T(73)
1137	T(42)
1138	T(32)
1139	TT9
1140	(T5)6
1141	(T3)5
1142	(T2)4
1143	(T3)2
1144	Q(74)
1145	Q(43)
1146	(Q7)6
1147	(Q2)6
1148	(Q6)3
1149	(Q4)2
1150	K42
1151	K(73)
1152	J(76)
1153	J(63)
1154	(J9)T
1155	AK8
1156	9(73)
1157	9(43)
1158	9(32)
1159	(94)7
1160	(96)3
1161	(94)5
1162	(93)4
1163	(94)3
1164	(92)3
1165	(93)2
1166	44T
1167	33Q
1168	22Q
1169	T(84)
1170	T(65)
1171	T(52)
1172	(T3)7
1173	(T7)4
1174	Q(72)
1175	K53
1176	(K8)7
1177	(K7)4
1178	J(74)
1179	J(52)
1180	(JT)9
1181	(J6)7
1182	(J3)6
1183	(J5)2
1184	(J3)2
1185	AQ8
1186	9(74)
1187	9(54)
1188	9(42)
1189	(93)7
1190	(94)6
1191	(96)2
1192	(94)2
1193	T(62)
1194	(T7)5
1195	(T2)6
1196	(T3)4
1197	Q(JT)
1198	Q(73)
1199	(Q7)5
1200	(Q7)4
1201	K54
1202	J87
1203	J54
1204	J(T9)
1205	(J7)4
1206	(J6)4
1207	(J6)3
1208	(AT)J
1209	(AJ)T
1210	99J
1211	993
1212	(92)5
1213	449
1214	22J
1215	T86
1216	(T2)5
1217	(T2)3
1218	(Q3)6
1219	K75
1220	K73
1221	K65
1222	K(86)
1223	(J2)7
1224	(97)3
1225	33J
1226	T98
1227	T65
1228	(T7)3
1229	Q54
1230	Q53
1231	(Q8)7
1232	(Q7)2
1233	(Q6)2
1234	K74
1235	K64
1236	J53
1237	J(72)
1238	(J3)7
1239	A(QT)
1240	(AT)Q
1241	99Q
1242	T74
1243	T(72)
1244	(T2)7
1245	(T4)2
1246	Q63
1247	Q43
1248	Q(86)
1249	(Q8)6
1250	(Q8)5
1251	(Q3)7
1252	(K7)8
1253	(K7)2
1254	J75
1255	J43
1256	J42
1257	(J7)2
1258	(AQ)K
1259	(AK)T
1260	985
1261	(97)2
1262	22T
1263	T64
1264	(T4)8
1265	(T7)2
1266	Q32
1267	(Q2)7
1268	(Q7)3
1269	K63
1270	K(87)
1271	K(72)
1272	(K8)5
1273	J74
1274	J62
1275	J32
1276	(J4)8
1277	A(KT)
1278	A(KJ)
1279	A(JT)
1280	(AJ)Q
1281	(AK)Q
1282	(AK)J
1283	9(72)
1284	229
1285	(T8)4
1286	(T6)2
1287	QJT
1288	Q75
1289	Q(85)
1290	Q(84)
1291	K62
1292	K52
1293	K(85)
1294	K(84)
1295	(K6)8
1296	(K4)8
1297	(K8)4
1298	J64
1299	J(T8)
1300	J(86)
1301	J(73)
1302	(J8)T
1303	(J8)5
1304	(J6)2
1305	A(KQ)
1306	(AJ)K
1307	T(83)
1308	(T5)8
1309	Q74
1310	Q65
1311	Q64
1312	(Q6)8
1313	K76
1314	(J8)6
1315	(AQ)T
1316	(AT)K
1317	954
1318	953
1319	(98)4
1320	T75
1321	T73
1322	T54
1323	T42
1324	T32
1325	(T9)7
1326	(T8)5
1327	Q52
1328	(Q5)8
1329	(K8)2
1330	JT9
1331	J52
1332	J(82)
1333	(JT)8
1334	(J2)8
1335	(J8)3
1336	A(QJ)
1337	963
1338	962
1339	952
1340	932
1341	(94)8
1342	(92)7
1343	339
1344	T72
1345	T63
1346	T43
1347	T(85)
1348	Q76
1349	Q(87)
1350	(Q8)4
1351	(Q8)3
1352	(KQ)J
1353	(K5)8
1354	(K8)3
1355	J65
1356	J(98)
1357	J(85)
1358	J(84)
1359	(J6)8
1360	(J3)8
1361	(AQ)J
1362	974
1363	973
1364	943
1365	942
1366	(98)3
1367	(98)2
1368	T62
1369	T(82)
1370	(T8)2
1371	Q42
1372	Q(82)
1373	(Q7)8
1374	K72
1375	J63
1376	(J8)4
1377	AJT
1378	964
1379	9(84)
1380	T52
1381	T(97)
1382	(T2)8
1383	Q73
1384	Q62
1385	(Q4)8
1386	(Q8)2
1387	K(QT)
1388	K(83)
1389	(KQ)T
1390	(K3)8
1391	J76
1392	(J8)9
1393	9(82)
1394	33T
1395	(T3)8
1396	(T8)3
1397	(Q3)8
1398	K(QJ)
1399	K(JT)
1400	(KT)J
1401	(KJ)T
1402	J(83)
1403	(J5)8
1404	T53
1405	(T7)9
1406	Q86
1407	(Q2)8
1408	K87
1409	(KJ)Q
1410	J72
1411	(J9)8
1412	(J8)2
1413	9(83)
1414	(93)8
1415	(92)8
1416	(K2)8
1417	J73
1418	Q85
1419	Q72
1420	Q(83)
1421	K84
1422	K(82)
1423	J84
1424	AKQ
1425	972
1426	Q(T9)
1427	(Q9)T
1428	K85
1429	J85
1430	AQJ
1431	T84
1432	Q84
1433	(Q8)T
1434	(QT)9
1435	(KT)Q
1436	AKJ
1437	Q83
1438	Q(J9)
1439	J86
1440	J83
1441	AQT
1442	T85
1443	(QJ)9
1444	K82
1445	JT8
1446	J98
1447	AKT
1448	983
1449	Q87
1450	(Q9)J
1451	K86
1452	K83
1453	J82
1454	(AJ)9
1455	984
1456	982
1457	T97
1458	T83
1459	T82
1460	(J7)T
1461	QT9
1462	Q(J8)
1463	(Q8)9
1464	KQJ
1465	(JT)7
1466	A(J9)
1467	Q82
1468	Q(T8)
1469	(QT)8
1470	(Q8)J
1471	A(T9)
1472	(A9)T
1473	T(96)
1474	(Q9)8
1475	J(T7)
1476	(J7)9
1477	A(K9)
1478	(AT)9
1479	(AQ)9
1480	(A9)J
1481	(T9)6
1482	KQT
1483	(AK)9
1484	(T6)9
1485	(QJ)8
1486	KJT
1487	(J9)7
1488	(A9)Q
1489	Q(98)
1490	J(97)
1491	(K9)T
1492	(K7)T
1493	(KT)9
1494	(A9)K
1495	A(Q9)
1496	QT8
1497	K(T9)
1498	(K2)Q
1499	(K9)J
1500	AT9
1501	T96
1502	QJ8
1503	Q98
1504	(K9)Q
1505	K(Q5)
1506	(K8)T
1507	(KT)7
1508	(KQ)9
1509	(KQ)7
1510	(KQ)6
1511	(KQ)2
1512	(K8)J
1513	QJ9
1514	K(Q7)
1515	(K7)Q
1516	(KQ)5
1517	(K7)J
1518	(KJ)9
1519	(K9)7
1520	JT7
1521	(Q7)T
1522	K(T8)
1523	K(Q9)
1524	K(J9)
1525	(K5)Q
1526	(KJ)5
1527	(K7)9
1528	AJ9
1529	Q(T6)
1530	(QT)7
1531	(QT)5
1532	(Q7)9
1533	K(T7)
1534	K(Q8)
1535	K(J7)
1536	(K6)T
1537	(K8)Q
1538	(K6)Q
1539	(KQ)4
1540	(K6)J
1541	(KJ)7
1542	(K9)6
1543	J97
1544	(J3)T
1545	(J2)T
1546	(Q3)T
1547	(QT)3
1548	(Q7)J
1549	(Q5)J
1550	(QJ)5
1551	KT9
1552	K(Q6)
1553	K(98)
1554	K(97)
1555	(KT)6
1556	(K3)Q
1557	(K5)J
1558	(K4)J
1559	(K2)J
1560	(K8)9
1561	(K9)8
1562	(JT)6
1563	(J5)9
1564	Q(T7)
1565	Q(T2)
1566	Q(97)
1567	Q(96)
1568	(Q6)T
1569	(Q5)T
1570	(Q4)T
1571	(QT)6
1572	(QJ)6
1573	(Q9)6
1574	K(Q4)
1575	K(Q2)
1576	(K5)T
1577	(K3)T
1578	(KT)8
1579	(K4)Q
1580	(KQ)3
1581	(KJ)4
1582	(K6)9
1583	(J5)T
1584	(J4)T
1585	(JT)5
1586	(J9)6
1587	T(92)
1588	(Q6)J
1589	(QJ)4
1590	K(J8)
1591	K(J3)
1592	K(96)
1593	K(95)
1594	(K4)T
1595	(KT)4
1596	(K3)J
1597	(KJ)6
1598	J(T2)
1599	J(95)
1600	(J6)T
1601	AQ9
1602	AK9
1603	(T3)9
1604	Q(T5)
1605	Q(J2)
1606	Q(95)
1607	(QT)4
1608	(QT)2
1609	(Q4)J
1610	(QJ)7
1611	(Q6)9
1612	(Q5)9
1613	(Q4)9
1614	K(T6)
1615	K(Q3)
1616	K(J5)
1617	K(J4)
1618	K(J2)
1619	(KT)5
1620	(KJ)3
1621	(K5)9
1622	J(T4)
1623	(JT)4
1624	(JT)3
1625	(J6)9
1626	(J4)9
1627	T(93)
1628	Q(T4)
1629	Q(J7)
1630	Q(J6)
1631	Q(J5)
1632	Q(J4)
1633	(Q2)T
1634	(Q9)7
1635	K(T5)
1636	K(J6)
1637	(K2)T
1638	(KT)3
1639	(K9)5
1640	J(T6)
1641	J(T5)
1642	J(T3)
1643	(J9)5
1644	T(94)
1645	(T4)9
1646	(T9)5
1647	(T9)4
1648	(T9)2
1649	Q(T3)
1650	Q(J3)
1651	(Q2)J
1652	(QJ)3
1653	(QJ)2
1654	(Q9)5
1655	(KQ)8
1656	(KJ)8
1657	(KJ)2
1658	J(96)
1659	T(95)
1660	(T9)3
1661	(Q3)J
1662	KT7
1663	KJ9
1664	K(T4)
1665	K(T3)
1666	K(T2)
1667	(K9)4
1668	J(93)
1669	(JT)2
1670	(J3)9
1671	(J2)9
1672	(J9)4
1673	(T5)9
1674	(Q9)4
1675	KT8
1676	K97
1677	(KT)2
1678	(K9)3
1679	(K9)2
1680	(J9)3
1681	(T2)9
1682	QT6
1683	Q(94)
1684	Q(92)
1685	(Q9)2
1686	(K4)9
1687	(K3)9
1688	(K2)9
1689	J(94)
1690	(J9)2
1691	QJ5
1692	(Q3)9
1693	(Q2)9
1694	(Q9)3
1695	KQ3
1696	K(93)
1697	J(92)
1698	QT7
1699	QT5
1700	QJ7
1701	KT6
1702	KT3
1703	KQ7
1704	KQ5
1705	KJ7
1706	KJ2
1707	K(94)
1708	K(92)
1709	JT6
1710	QJ6
1711	QJ4
1712	Q97
1713	Q(93)
1714	KT5
1715	KQ9
1716	K98
1717	K96
1718	JT5
1719	JT3
1720	J96
1721	QT4
1722	QT3
1723	QJ3
1724	Q96
1725	KT4
1726	KQ6
1727	KQ4
1728	JT2
1729	T95
1730	T93
1731	QT2
1732	KQ2
1733	KJ8
1734	KJ4
1735	QJ2
1736	Q95
1737	KJ6
1738	KJ5
1739	JT4
1740	J95
1741	T92
1742	KQ8
1743	KJ3
1744	T94
1745	KT2
1746	K95
1747	J94
1748	Q92
1749	K93
1750	K94
1751	K92
1752	J92
1753	Q94
1754	J93
1755	Q93
Can I find a list of starting hands by rank anywhere? Quote
06-24-2018 , 02:03 AM
Doesn't make sense to me that 222 would be better than 333, but A43 better than A42.
Can I find a list of starting hands by rank anywhere? Quote
06-24-2018 , 03:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chillrob
Doesn't make sense to me that 222 would be better than 333, but A43 better than A42.
A43 makes more straights on the top with 567.

Also surprises me that the 4 is the optimal kicker for aces and a two-suit. Apparently the smoothness of the low with AA2 doesn't matter, but why does the 4 help for high? Extra outs to beat aces and treys? the straight on the top? But then why not AA5? Maybe because 8765A is an awful low but 7654A is a decent low....
Can I find a list of starting hands by rank anywhere? Quote
06-24-2018 , 10:29 AM
I downloaded these in 2005. As best as I can recall, they were the results of showdown sims (between 4 or 5 players?). They were taken off the the pokerstove web site later, so maybe he wasn't happy with them. I run into Mr. Pokerstove every once in a while, so the next time I do, I'll ask him what the story is.
Can I find a list of starting hands by rank anywhere? Quote

      
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