I don't really know my oponents.
Sorry for some reason handconverter didn't work for me.

What do you think about this hand?
Opening is obvious, right?
Do we have the option to fold on 4th street? I consider folding since opp6 got one of our key card (4d). I think we still need to peel since bring-in could have wide range and opp5 seems to get a brick.

5th:
Well, I am pretty sure I should folded on 5th street. Actually there is a good chance I have the high pot right now. I thought to opp6 have a straight is pretty unlikely since dead: (A 5 6). To have opp5 a straight is also unlikely since I have two eights. But still even if they have a straight draw I'm not in a good shape. Most likely I'm just playing for the half pot. It's a fold on 5th, am I right? Or I dunno maybe folding is way to nit. I have 3 outs (8,8,4) to secure the high. I just don't like this mediocre hands in multiway pots.

6th:
Ok it's a clear mistake to call on 6th, right? Opp6 could have a straight with a five and opp5 has to have something when he is in the pot here. (however many clubs and two fives are dead.)

7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit ($3/$6 USD)
Seat 2: Hero ($60 in chips)
Seat 3: opp1 ($245 in chips)
Seat 4: opp2 ($72 in chips)
Seat 5: opp3 ($36 in chips)
Seat 6: opp4 ($88 in chips)
Seat 7: opp5 ($70 in chips)
Seat 8: opp6 ($332 in chips)
Hero: posts the ante $0.75
opp1: posts the ante $0.75
opp2: posts the ante $0.75
opp3: posts the ante $0.75
opp4: posts the ante $0.75
opp5: posts the ante $0.75
opp6: posts the ante $0.75
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac 4s 4c]
Dealt to opp1 [Kd]
Dealt to opp2 [7c]
Dealt to opp3 [5c]
Dealt to opp4 [Tc]
Dealt to opp5 [7h]
Dealt to opp6 [3h]
opp6: brings in for $0.75
Hero: raises $2 to $3
opp1: folds
opp2: folds
opp3: folds
opp4: folds
opp5: calls $3
opp6: calls $2
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac 4s 4c] [8c]
Dealt to opp5 [7h] [9c]
Dealt to opp6 [3h] [4d]
opp5: checks
opp6: bets $3
Hero: calls $3
opp5: calls $3
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac 4s 4c 8c] [8d]
Dealt to opp5 [7h 9c] [6c]
Dealt to opp6 [3h 4d] [2d]
Hero: checks
opp5: checks
opp6: bets $6
Hero: calls $6
opp5: calls $6
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac 4s 4c 8c 8d] [5s]
Dealt to opp5 [7h 9c 6c] [Jc]
Dealt to opp6 [3h 4d 2d] [Ah]
Hero: checks
opp5: checks
opp6: bets $6
Hero: calls $6
opp5: calls $6

I’m brand new to stud8 and have no idea what I’m talking about (like really no idea) but with a pair, three to a low, a completely live ace, and opp5 having the worst board possible, I would’ve gone bananas cramming bets in on 4th.

Looking forward to hearing from knowledgeable posters about if/why that’s a flawed thought process tho.

3rd is a standard open.
4th you need to raise. 44 is beating the guy who bet and you need to get it HU.
5th is either a lead or a x/r. By leading you're telling the 976 that you intend to 3! if the 234 raises and putting him in a difficult spot. Note that your 88 makes your hand much safer vs his than it would be with irrelevant cards. Leading increases your chance of seeing 6 for fewer bets, but increases the chances that the pot stays multiway because they could both call. On balance, I prefer a x/r.
6th and 7th there are 2 5s dead and you have an ace so you just have to show it down.

Thanks for your comment!

4th: Why am I beating the guy who bets? That is nice my 44 is higher than his door 3. I can't give a range to propokertools, but I don't consider myself as I am ahead and was afraid to get a 3bet.

Hand Equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
ac4c4s8c 42.85% 117,953 372,919 496 59,200 1,896
2c3h4dad 57.15% 204,021 226,585 496 428,028 1,896


This should be the top of his range and I have 43% so yes I believe I am ahead, but I feel my pair of 4s are very vulnerable. (Probably another reason to raise and protect my hand?)
Actually I don't think opp5 should call on 4th even a single bet. Even if he has pot odds against our hands. Since the door cards are (my: 4c8c, opp6: 3h4d) the reversed implied odds should be high.

5th:
I can't imagine a x/r. 234 looks way to scary for my eyes. I like your reasons to lead.

Final of the hand:
We checked the 7th street.
HERO: shows [Ac 4s 4c 8c 8d 5s 9d] (HI: 2 Pair, 8s & 4s)
opp5: shows [2s 3c 7h 9c 6c Jc 5h] (HI: High Card, Jack; LO: 7,6,5,3,2)
opp6: shows [2c Ad 3h 4d 2d Ah Qh] (HI: 2 Pair, As & 2s)

In general, as I see it, I’m too passive in this game. I need to become more aggressive and try to push opponents in multiway pots. But it’s really complicated for me when to push and pull opponents in split pot games in multiway pots.

You seem to be right.

What do you think guys is that a raise if I have 2 instead of A? [2c 4s 4c]
I think with this ante structure this should be still a raise.

What about hands like 875 rainbow? I would rather fold that.

From your last response to RolledUpTrips, I agree it seems like you are overly worried about putting in raises multiway. I have noticed this a lot in small stakes -- many people are unwilling to put in a lot of raises without having a monster hand (although this is often a time when you want to keep people in, counterintuitively). You need to realize that multiway, you are often trying to decide if you want to
(a) charge someone who has the worst equity of the 3 (even if you don't have the best of the 3)
(b) deny equity and try to knock one of the three players out
(c) keep your opponents in

(a) and (b) require a lot of betting and raising -- forcing your opponent to face 2 bets cold is often a good way to get them out, for example, even if you think you might be worse than the third guy.

Good luck.

Rather than get into the specifics of hand.

A. Put more chips on table or quit. Stop loss/risk/etc be dammed. You dont ever wanna have the goods and be tapped out.

B. Consider taking some more time to be comfortable playing two way games. You are of two minds on each street.

Id lead 5th. Its no bueno if it rolls through and if you get popped its almost always ok.

6th is lame, id probably throw my laptop at my cats, or if live pick my cards throw them on floor, blame shuffle master or whatever its called and quit. Or just fold nicely. ... just fold nicely actually.

yeah well said.

4th is a clear raise and i think i c/r 5th pretty much always. maybe i'd define this as a spot where i'd go for b/3b against strong players. i think in small stakes games people never let you get that b3b off, and the guy in the middle just ends up calling and seeing a cheap 6th.

i think one dead 5 only i fold? but two dead 5's feels like we gotta show down.

I like the straight potential of hands like this, but I agree this is pretty weak. The 8 is a crap low and the gap and lack of 2 flush hurt. Folding is probably right. Now if it's 765 rainbow, you can call or raise.

would anyone consider here raising (87)5 and folding (57)8 ?
Or everybody folds both hands?