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Originally Posted by greentree
Fair enough. Thank you for the reply. The only feeling I got was that they would never bet against each other when it was just them. They would just check it down. They talked like they knew each other and were from the Vegas area.
At the lower stakes I almost always don't recognize many of the faces at the table when I sit down. At the most I'll recognize maybe 2 or 3 faces.
I've never noticed anything like that in the 1/3 game at the Wynn. I guess it's possible that those guys soft played each other, which is something I see more often when I see couples sit down, not friends. Or maybe they played a little less aggressively against each other. Sometimes people are less serious in these games and do things that are wrong without even realizing. I agree that you could switch tables if you suspect something is going on or just feel uncomfortable.
I have seen situations in 2/5 games where I could see a tourist thinking 4-5 players are in teams, or picking on them. The way the game plays could even make it appear that way to the tourist, even though the belief is false. It will seem like the better players take turns picking on the tourist, but that doesn't mean they are a team. I know I've sat at tables where I would play tight for a while, a tourist would limp in, I'd raise him and everyone else would get out of the way, and the whole time I was just playing for myself and didn't even know a single other player at the table. Everyone at the table was still my enemy lol.
Also, I do think some people are too paranoid and complain too much. I once got accused of being part of a team with a guy I never saw before. He limped in early position, a few other people limped, the other guy who was accused of working with me limped, I made a small raise with pocket 9's, the complainer called, and some other people called and the other guy raised big with pocket kings, I folded, and the whiner bitched about how I juiced it up for the other guy and said the other guy had AA. It's true that I was trying to juice it up, but I was trying to juice it up for myself and was hoping I would flop a set in a big pot. Also nobody else had raised so I figured I had the best hand and I was on the button.
When I mucked my cards I made sure that it was clear they were my cards in case he asked to see them (I mucked them just a little past the line so he could ask to see them). He never did (not sure why). If I turned over complete garbage then his case would have looked a lot stronger. You can ask the dealer to see a mucked hand if you suspect collusion. If he asked to see my hand and saw that I had pocket 9's, then that should have eased his concerns. I wish I just volunteered to show my hand because being accused of that, and having this guy try to make me look bad to the rest of the table really pissed me off.