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Old 06-26-2012, 08:03 PM   #826
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Re: Winstar World Casino (Thackerville, OK)

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I don't care who you are and I'm not there anyway. Haven't been there all day.
It's cool man. I don't want to start anything or argue with you.

I want to be the bigger person and call a truce?

Im done arguing with anyone on these forums. It's not worth it.

I graduated high school long ago.
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:04 PM   #827
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Give us hint. Which 1/2 table are you at?
PK I see you. I might start spiking my hair like yours.
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:08 PM   #828
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Yeah, my bad about the pot counting comment. I meant spreading the pot. I asked a dealer one time about it and he said that they are taught to stack the chips and mix the different colored chips in a way to where players can't really get a correct count. That is pretty shady.

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Old 06-26-2012, 08:20 PM   #829
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I asked a dealer one time about it and he said that they are taught to stack the chips and mix the different colored chips in a way to where players can't really get a correct count. That is pretty shady.
And where was this dealer? Winstar?
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:30 PM   #830
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And where was this dealer? Winstar?
Yes.
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:33 PM   #831
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Ahh...then you weren't in one of the 3 consecutive hands that I lost to larger full house, quads, and quads.

Haha I think you were at 1/2. You sure it was 2/5?
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:28 PM   #832
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Yeah, my bad about the pot counting comment. I meant spreading the pot. I asked a dealer one time about it and he said that they are taught to stack the chips and mix the different colored chips in a way to where players can't really get a correct count. That is pretty shady.
For what it is worth, I have never seen a dealer at Winstar, or anywhere actually, do this.
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:29 PM   #833
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I don't care who you are and I'm not there anyway. Haven't been there all day.
Hey, it was good to see you Sunday! Too bad I didn't live very long in the tourney after I saw you. lol
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:35 PM   #834
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Hey, it was good to see you Sunday! Too bad I didn't live very long in the tourney after I saw you. lol
It was good seeing you again as well Jenn. I'm sure the next one will work out for you.
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:40 PM   #835
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Yeah, my bad about the pot counting comment. I meant spreading the pot. I asked a dealer one time about it and he said that they are taught to stack the chips and mix the different colored chips in a way to where players can't really get a correct count. That is pretty shady.
I've never heard anyone instruct a dealer to do such a thing. I have been told that we are not to spread the pot because there is no good reason for a dealer to put his hand into the pot except to pull out the "rake".

Since we aren't supposed to put our hands into the pot to spread it, we aren't supposed to be mixing it up either.
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:42 PM   #836
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Re: Winstar World Casino (Thackerville, OK)

LoL @ people falling for Empowerment's trolling. He trolls other forums on this site and is apparently trying to become a troll in real life as well.
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:45 PM   #837
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Yeah, my bad about the pot counting comment. I meant spreading the pot. I asked a dealer one time about it and he said that they are taught to stack the chips and mix the different colored chips in a way to where players can't really get a correct count. That is pretty shady.
I think someone was pulling your chain buddy. I can speak from expereince that I was never instructed to do that.
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:51 PM   #838
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I think someone was pulling your chain buddy. I can speak from expereince that I was never instructed to do that.
And I can speak from experience that pk_nuts was a damn fine dealer at Winstar for a number of years.
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:54 PM   #839
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And I can speak from experience that pk_nuts was a damn fine dealer at Winstar for a number of years.
Yes he sure was.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:24 AM   #840
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With all this foolish bickering, I've got to point out that Winstar provides a very nice place to play poker or to gamble in general. I appreciate what they do in every way. Thank God I don't have to travel far to have a fun experience. I've had nothing but good experiences when playing poker, whether playing in a tournament or playing for cash. Thank you Winstar and thank you Dealer-Guy for all of your input into this forum!
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:45 AM   #841
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It's one of my favorite places to play poker since the room is very nice, the dealers are efficient and (for the most part) personable and there is ALWAYS good action. Kind of wish they'd raise the lower NL games' (1/2, 2/5) buy-in cap to 150-200bb but I get why they don't. Cest la vie.

Outside of the poker room, it is gambler's hell. Antes on table games, no dice, no roulette, a mediocre hotel half a mile walk away and you have to pay for your alcohol? Horrid. I know some of it is out of their control but it's still something customers have to deal with.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:56 AM   #842
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1/2: More completely clueless players; Less high level players. More short stacks and at times more tight play. More passive game overall.

2/5: Players often more willing to gamble (less likely to short stack, more likely to rebuy). Rec players tend to have a higher level of understanding of the game and often times more poker experience than their 1/2 counterparts. More high level players. More aggressive game (poker the way it should be played IMO)..

this is spot on....

although my 2/5 play has been limited. ive had some weekday reg 1/2 games that played really tough.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:15 PM   #843
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It's one of my favorite places to play poker since the room is very nice, the dealers are efficient and (for the most part) personable and there is ALWAYS good action. Kind of wish they'd raise the lower NL games' (1/2, 2/5) buy-in cap to 150-200bb but I get why they don't. Cest la vie.

Outside of the poker room, it is gambler's hell. Antes on table games, no dice, no roulette, a mediocre hotel half a mile walk away and you have to pay for your alcohol? Horrid. I know some of it is out of their control but it's still something customers have to deal with.

Agreed. I like the poker room and the dealers. No major issues there.

The casino is a completely different story. I don't know anything about what the slots pay but the table games are borderline criminal. The mob wouldn't charge a 50 cent per hand "tax" or whatever it is. At least they believe in treating you well because they know they will get the money in the end. Why not increase it to $1/hand? Would it really make a difference? People that continue to play these games are either desperate or ignorant. I don't know why they wouldn't go to Louisiana where the structure is normal and the drinks are free.

Winstar/Oklahoma is clearly gouging/taking advantage of their gambling patrons and will continue to do so until Texas wakes up. But obviously they are doing everything they can to delay that. If you look at the economics of it, I guess the customer is to blame as much as the casino.
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:13 PM   #844
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Winstar/Oklahoma is clearly gouging/taking advantage of their gambling patrons and will continue to do so until Texas wakes up. But obviously they are doing everything they can to delay that. If you look at the economics of it, I guess the customer is to blame as much as the casino.
It's capitalism at work - they can charge whatever they want until people stop paying it and force the provider to change. I don't begrudge them for running it the way they do because I choose to not play the games they have priced ridiculously. If they keep getting people to play with those structures, more power to them.
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:38 PM   #845
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is it the law for them to charge you $.50/hand? I remember Morongo in California used to do that. once they built a 5stars hotel..they tooked the ante out.
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:46 PM   #846
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I've never been clear if it was a law or some sort of tax or a tribal mandate for running the card games or whatever. I just know that it's probably never going away.

Also, it's not just $.50 a hand. The price goes up depending upon how much you bet. I don't remember the scale, but I'm sure some degen here does...
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:53 PM   #847
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It's $.50/hand under 100/hand bet.. it's $1 for $100 - $199?
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:15 AM   #848
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This is straight out of Harrington on Cash Games, Volume 2.

Towards the very back of the book there is a section called:

Transitioning to Live Games

#5. Can you ask the dealer to count the pot? "Yes. In online games this is done automatically, but in live games you have a right to know what's in the pot before you make your play since you may not be able to estimate it accurately yourself. In that case you can ask the dealer to count the pot. Note that remembering the bets in live games and keeping track of the pot in your head is an excellent skill to develop."

This book was written in 2008. Are you all saying that all casinos have changed their rules on a universal scale in only 4 short years?
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:00 PM   #849
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He's either mistaken or means spread the pot. I will prop bet it if you want by surveying the top 25 poker rooms in the country. I will say less than 10 allow the dealer to count the pot during a hand, other than in pot limit games.
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:26 PM   #850
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Dealers will not count the pot for you. Tough luck. Harrington retired..so are his books.
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