Comparing monthly numbers probably isn't the best idea in this case as they have decreased the size of the room.

There have been some changes here over the last year(like the changing of presidents) that are non poker related that are no being factored I to the discussion.

Also I would say this is the second best poker room in Pennsylvania behind Parx and I don't see how this is debatable

PA Sands is part of a huge $40B+ company. They aren't Revel or Foxwoods that are on their own. They may take a revenue hit but they will survive. Can't say the same about Mt. Airy.

The games have been great and more people have been showing up for sure, but this has nothing to do with how the poker room has been run.

Different people use different criteria to evaluate how well a room is run. What matters most to me might not matter much to you, and vice versa. And what one person considers to be a long time to fill a seat might not be a long time in someone else's opinion.

What matters most to me in any room is the competency of the dealers and floorpeople to ensure the integrity of the games - that the dealers make few errors, that they prevent/control angle shots, that they make fair rulings and that the floorpeople actively supervise the dealers and the games. I think the Sands dealers are good but the floorpeople don't do much supervision. Overall I'd give them an average grade.

what's this exactly mean? there's maybe 4 supervisors for 30 tables. They walk around and go to the tables that have issues/supervisor light on. Are they supposed to assume issues before they even occur? They're not there to babysit the dealers every move. If you have an issue with a dealer or floor person bring it up to someone.

EVERY room other than Sands that I've played has floorpeople walk the room observing what is going on. I don't mean every floorperson in every room, but the vast majority. So if, for example, I observe that a dealer is exposing cards when bringing them into the muck I know that a floorperson will be circulating and I can point it out to him/her. Or if a dealer is looking around the room instead of paying attention to the game it will get noticed. Sands floorpeople usually stand at the desks. They have to be tracked down and they are not observing the dealers to proactively address things. Almost every Sands dealer rolls the deck. Lots of Sands dealers habitually expose cards when they bring them into the muck. It's quite obvious that nobody is monitoring this.

Just a few examples.

no dealer should ever roll the deck or lift cards to muck them which inadvertently shows cards... they've been taught not to do so, so like I said bring it up with a floor person.

I have never seen one card exposed by a dealer bringing it into the muck in almost 5 years, except when a player exposes it while mucking.

Every business or casino always has room for improvement, no matter how successful they are and the one improvement I would like to see is taking list jumping more serious. Today a 2/5 game was called and one too many people showed up. The floor was called and he found a regular jumped from another table, so he was asked to get up and go back. Maybe if there was some kind of penalty such as picking him up (after a warning) and moving him to the bottom of the list or asking them to come back tomorrow, they won't do it anymore (you know who you are. It's very selfish and disrespectful.)

I know there are some regulars who routinely jump the list. The dealer asks them for their card and swipe them right in. However, this is not the supervisors giving them special treatment as previously claimed. Every poker room has people who think they can outsmart everyone and not have to wait on the list. But if there were penalties when caught, maybe they won't do it anymore.

It would be great if there was a way to put their initials into the bravo screen to make sure their card matches up, and it will also get rid of all those dumb nick names (action larry, superman, cookie monster, etc.)

I did. A few times. Nothing changed so I adjusted.

As said in my first post, not everything matters equally to all players. I'll bet most Sands regs don't even know which dealers lift and flash mucked cards almost every hand.

list jumpers DO get thrown to the bottom of the list. floor people have warned people of this before they call the list down on numerous occasions. if they're already playing on a game and assume theres a seat on a new game for them (bc a lot of players say whats the harm in 1 more, or bank on 1 player not showing up) what do you want the floor to do? throw them out? not a lot of players know they should ask for a table change before they attempt in doing so

there will be players trying to scumbag other players (by list jumping) every where you play at

This particular player is well aware he needs to ask for a table change he is a habitual list jumper

About preferential treatment for regulars..I'm a regular there, I asked for a table change two times and watched the floor write it down the 2nd time, and I was never called after the 2.5 hours I had asked to switch.

over 100 on the waiting list.

Yeah thats just for 1/2 theres 240 people total but according to thedarkelf this room is dying (haha)

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this is a well reasoned post. penalties would help. the fact that it's pretty much ignored is the big issue (and other end of the spectrum). if they put even a little effort like having dealers even ask players if they were sent over or get a little nod from the floor like at the borgata it would help. if a bunch of guys jump on tables and everyone knows the floors don't want to confront anyone more people are going to do it... both because they know they can and because they don't want to have their long wait made even longer.

and btw, they can put names on the list. they use bravo. they can actually "swipe" people onto the list at the sign-up desk and then move those players into empty seats at the table they're being sent to so they don't need to swipe in when they get to the table. a bunch of rooms using bravo use this feature. i don't know why they all don't... makes their jobs easier in addition to reducing table/list jumping.

of course i'm in florida now.. but tonight would be one of those nights where i would avoid sands and either take the extra 30 min to get to AC or go to mt airy (and yes... i'd rather deal with all the other crap and minimal amount of tables running at mt airy than deal with the wait list frustration at sands).

hopefully davey or someone is seeing this conversation dominate this thread and will put in some procedures (or remind floors of existing procedures and encourage pro-activeness) by the time i get back up there this summer.

I don't play here regularly anymore but I did come up the last couple of days and imo the staff have been making a solid effort in going after line jumpers, keeping the lists moving and enforcing the 3rd man walking.

Non-poker room related, but I wish the cage would let you color up higher than black chips.

hahahahhahahaha Mt Airy is the worst poker room in America

I took about a year off poker, started playing a few times this year and most recently Thursday night. I'm sure 20-50 pages ago this was addressed, but why were tables removed?

This is the current stats:



It reminds me of when the room first opened. I'd really like to get in on a 1/3 table between there only being a single table and a 90+ wait for 1/2, with requests for more games... how was it justified to make the room smaller?

So that waiting lists can insanely long. This way the management looks good - "see, they are lining up out the door to play - we must be doing something right".

OK, now seriously, the poker room wasn't making enough money to justify taking up the space they were taking. So they got rid of 6 tables.

Casino floor space is based on a 7 day week not just Sat night. Management did the math and found a more profitable use.

I see a 25-50 NL game on the wait list tonight. Has this game ever run at Sands?

Not to my knowledge.

Tonight a degenerate started the list just to look cool, no chance of actually running

It ran for about a week, maybe twice total, about a year ago. Someone special was in town at the time.

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The room was always 30 tables (after the initial 12 when it first opened) and then they decided they can fit another 6 tables in the main area. So they added 6 and it went to 36 total but the room was never busy enough to fill all 36 tables, so they took out the 6 on the side and put table games there and went back down to 30 total again.

Anyone on here do the bus commute from Port Authority? (Trans-Bridge Line I believe).

Couple of quick questions for anyone that has experience:

1. For a middle of the week trip (Tuesday more than likely), do I need to worry about not getting a seat? I'd most likely be doing the 1:30pm from Port Authority and taking the 1:45am back from Sands.

2. Is there wifi?

3. Any general comments about taking the bus to Sands from NYC? Is it tolerable? Torturous? Somewhere in between?

Thanks very much in advance.