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Old 04-15-2021, 01:10 PM   #1401
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Re: West Michigan Poker

That is the information from an email sent out by Firekeepers regarding their anticipated opening on May 1st.

Action in Sought Bend at Four Winds has been very good even though they haven't been filling the room as much as they were earlier this year. I don't think the 5/10 has been going much, but the 2/5 (and even most 1/2 tables) are juicy. GL
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Old 04-15-2021, 11:07 PM   #1402
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Thanks.


I'm still reluctant to play indoors these days. Maybe I will do so in the fall.
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Old 05-17-2021, 08:58 AM   #1403
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LOTS of you already know .. but (if you use it) Bravo will self-update the next time you try to log in and it's quite a bit of change. They must've gotten bored over CV and revamped some things. There have been reports of some glitches (see a thread on this site) but eventually 'we' are all smart enough to get it back to what we want to get from it.

There is a 'sign up' section now which may prove useful .. IF .. the casinos turn it on and/or subscribe to that portion of the App.

FKeepers seems to be going strong with reports of games action all over the map, which is to be expected from 6-handed play. There were also some stake buy-in adjustments. Way too soon to see how quickly the casinos start to pull back restrictions since most of that may have to go through their Gaming authority first. GL
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Old 06-02-2021, 01:41 PM   #1404
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Any word on the re-opening of charity rooms? Gun Lake?
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Old 06-03-2021, 10:07 AM   #1405
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At last word, the restrictions in place via MGCB for charity rooms didn't make it feasible to run games due to both cost (plexiglass) and capacity limits for the location/room. My assumption is that 'eventually' those restrictions will loosen up and the opportunity for charity rooms will be there should the Suppliers, Locations and Charities want to get back involved.

It will be very difficult to get official word of anything out of GLake. One of the supposed hurdles has been cleared .. slots are back to 100% availability. The other hurdle that I was told about was that they wouldn't open poker back up until the hotel was open. Well, that's going to be a while.

One would also have to assume that they will keep a close eye on Firekeepers, Four Winds-South Bend and Horseshoe-Hammond to see how the numbers look. It appears that the 'new' Hard Rock casino in Gary will not have poker, at least initially. You also have the issue of Summer, when poker is typically the slowest.

We should all keep an eye on Bravo to see what happens in Detroit as well. The numbers there have been pretty weak except on weekends due to both capacity issues and (IMO) staffing issues.

Is poker dead .. by no means at all. Florida and Texas are jumpin'! We'll see what happens in Vegas this Oct/Nov with the live WSOP events.

Players have also been spoiled by the home game scene, but that's only a small portion of the whole Player pool. There's also the online options to deal with as well. Some Players just want something to do and they may not care that they are playing .05/.10 online v traveling to a room to play.

I think WM would rebound, it's a social game and a very large portion of the 1/2 cash and tournament Player pool would come back 'outside' to play .. it's just a matter of where. GL
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Old 06-03-2021, 01:00 PM   #1406
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According to Bravo, Firekeepers is now 9 handed!

I sure hope Gun Lake opens their poker room again. I'm hoping that when the current expansion is complete, Gun Lake will find a place for it. The press releases say "late summer", so I'm thinking September. If it's not open by then, I'm going to assume it will not reopen.
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Old 06-03-2021, 02:00 PM   #1407
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1) Yes, right after my post I received word of the change at FKeepers. I was hoping for 8-handed M-Th and 9-handed F-Su, but that would be a 'thing' for most poker Players as we all know.

2) They are still working on their staffing, so really no plan for tournaments as of yet. It will take them some time to work their way back up to where they were. I would hope that they would pursue bringing in a pool of Dealers for the MSPT .. but who knows where the WSOPc pool of Dealers stands as of today.

3) I think you mean that the GLake expansion is slated to open 'late summer' with no exact mention of poker, but I'm not taking the time to look into their press releases today! No biggie .. we all can hope. We can only hope that Fkeepers has a bang up Summer (as well as GLake slots) and someone at GLake can catch Sal's ear. I'm pretty sure that GLake had a better landing spot for Dealers, but they had the benefit of a full slate of local Dealers ready to get involved .. the 2nd time around may not go the same. GL
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Old 06-14-2021, 08:41 AM   #1408
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There is some talk of charity rooms opening back up in July. If that's the case there will be a rush of license applications down at MGCB and also a rush for the Suppliers to locate and rehire their staff. Assuming the locations are all back to 100%, they will also be welcoming any extra income they can get.

Summer is historically slower in charity rooms, but this may not be the case this year with Gun Lake still out of the loop and folks just wanting to get out and do 'anything'.

I played at FK on Sat and left a post in that thread, no reason to repost here. The 2/5 game was (surprisingly) everything you would want in a poker game. It's possible the 'match the stack' has some influence, but 'real' poker was being played. GL
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Old 07-01-2021, 08:41 AM   #1409
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King's room opens TODAY!! Not sure what time, but they'll try to get poker going on Division Ave once again. Looks like the ownership of the building has changed names, but I think it's just a formality .. same 'girls' making food and pizza.

Word was that the Muskegon room was opening next week but there's no license shown as of yet. King's doesn't have a charity listed for next week either, but it does two week from today as the state is working it's way through applications as quickly as it can.

At least one 'Detroit' area charity room is opening today as well.

No 'real' word from Gun Lake or Soaring Eagle. MSPT doesn't show the Fall event at Firekeepers on their calendar either, but that may have happened some time ago. FK is still growing their Dealer pool and it's no news that they will take baby steps to get back into a full poker location. The BBJ (and reserve) are both in 'room share' as of today.

Make sure that if you have any thoughts of going to the live WSOP in Vegas that you get on your horse and lock up a room/bed. A quick look at hotels shows they know when the Raiders are at home and with the WSOP not being in 'slow time' for Vegas you may find comps hard to come by. GL
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:57 AM   #1410
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You know good news/bad news? Well in this case the bad news far outweighs the good.

There was a major traffic accident in AZ that impacted direct family members of our poker community that any of you who played 1/2 in charity rooms .. and some at GLake .. would most certainly know. I'm not going to directly name this person, but there is a GoFundMe available to assist with making arrangements to bring the FIVE family members home for burial. That's a very big 'number' to deal with and if you feel inclined you may want to at least check out the story on any local news agency website.

I have a single source that indicates that GLake emailed Poker Dealers indicating that the current plan is to reopen the 8-table poker room sometime in October. This correlates with indications that I received from GLake that the poker room wouldn't reopen until slots were back at full capacity. I'm not sure how October was chosen, but with the anticipated opening of the 'delayed' expansion AND with slots being back at 100% availability this would seem to fit nicely into somebody's flow chart. GL
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Old 07-07-2021, 10:57 AM   #1411
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Pretty lonely in here ..

A quick trip to SEagle provided some insight from that location ..

1) Poker is 'trying' to open in Aug/Sept but they are struggling with filling the staff for the room. Not really sure what that means since they historically pulled pit Dealers into that room when necessary. Could be they don't have any 'spares' in the pits right now.

2) Their Ultimate Texas Hold'em table had the highest minimum bet that I've seen in Michigan. $15 min bet on Blind/Ante .. AND .. Trips. So if you also play the $1 Flop Jackpot spot you are putting out $46 just to get into the game! Even if you don't play the '@%&' bets you're still looking at $30 per hand against an opponent who doesn't fold!

Might be the reason that only 3 people actually played at the two tables in the 2 hours I was there. One guy said it was fine for him since he didn't like the fact that it took 5-7 minutes per hand at Gun Lake .. so he's never going back!

3) First time I'd seen Criss-Cross poker in action .. not really too fond of that game.

4) SEagle was giving away $20 gas cards if you got a flyer in the mail .. I wasn't on that list since I might go twice a year. GL
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Old 07-07-2021, 02:41 PM   #1412
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Pretty lonely in here ..

A quick trip to SEagle provided some insight from that location ..

1) Poker is 'trying' to open in Aug/Sept but they are struggling with filling the staff for the room. Not really sure what that means since they historically pulled pit Dealers into that room when necessary. Could be they don't have any 'spares' in the pits right now.

2) Their Ultimate Texas Hold'em table had the highest minimum bet that I've seen in Michigan. $15 min bet on Blind/Ante .. AND .. Trips. So if you also play the $1 Flop Jackpot spot you are putting out $46 just to get into the game! Even if you don't play the '@%&' bets you're still looking at $30 per hand against an opponent who doesn't fold!

Might be the reason that only 3 people actually played at the two tables in the 2 hours I was there. One guy said it was fine for him since he didn't like the fact that it took 5-7 minutes per hand at Gun Lake .. so he's never going back!

3) First time I'd seen Criss-Cross poker in action .. not really too fond of that game.

4) SEagle was giving away $20 gas cards if you got a flyer in the mail .. I wasn't on that list since I might go twice a year. GL
Staffing issues are the issues everywhere, and are going to continue to be until the $300/week unemployment boost benefit is taken away, which is currently scheduled for September (unless of course they extend it again). As of right now people are just happy living off the government instead of going to work for an extra couple hundred a week. Until this happens things will continue to be slow everywhere and we won't see a full reopening.
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Old 07-08-2021, 03:05 PM   #1413
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I won't get too political. The unemployment benefit definitely plays a part in the labor shortage, but it's way more complex than that. We basically had 15 months where a good portion of jobs in this country were completely eliminated. Many of those people have gone on and found different lines of work. Nearly overnight the demand for those jobs came back to near pre-pandemic levels, but the supply of that labor will take some time to come back. There certainly are some people who are going to just stay home and collect UE as long as they can without seriously looking for a job, but the numbers suggest that's only a relatively small number. The US UE rate is currently 5.9%, and 5% is considered the standard churn in a healthy economy.

Even the states that have already ended the extra UE money are struggling with staffing shortages. Our labor market got thrown out of whack in the last 15 months, and it's going to take some time to re-stabilize. There's not much for us to do other than be patient and wait for the supply of labor to catch up with demand.
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Old 07-09-2021, 09:10 AM   #1414
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Great post ..

Actually stopped in at GLake yesterday for the first time since the last raffle. Lots of slot turnover and they moved most of the pits into the section by the cafe along the wall of the expansion. (Apparently done a couple months ago)

Couple of birds suggested that poker's target is October 1st but plans are never laid in stone.

Obv the new 131 freeway exit will dwarf the old and I interpret the picture that it will be similar to 131 and 44th street. The 'west' ramps are all closed, I think they want you to go south/north one exit and come back. I came from Caledonia/179 so I didn't get to experience what the signs want you to do .. can't imagine they want all that traffic going through 'downtown' Wayland and coming down Division, but I'm sure lots of folks are doing it anyway. Hard to come in from the west I would think.

Staff all seemed to be chipper, even during the false fire alert. One mentioned that the expansion will have quite a few more 'doors' and wasn't sure how they were going to install a security check station to cover all of the new entry points. Mostly familiar faces from what I encountered .. GL
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Old 07-11-2021, 08:45 AM   #1415
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Looks like both King's and 'Muskegon' got their charity licenses for this weekend. No report on any action as of yet .. may hit up King's tonight.

PLO got going at FKeepers Friday by 530pm and lasted past Midnight, hopefully a trend of at least one day a week that PLO gets going down there .. if you want to make the drive.

2/5 at FKeepers def has legs. Although it started after PLO on Friday it was still currently going Sunday morning, which had the same scenario whenever I stopped in 6-7 weeks ago. Word is that this game can be great to agonizing depending on the flow of the list. There were actually three 2/5 games going Wed night, possibly due to the rain outside .. bringing all the golfers inside!

The Go-Fund-Me for the AZ tragedy is going well, with over $80k, but still time to donate if you choose. Most of the donations are anonymous .. GL
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Old 07-21-2021, 10:00 PM   #1416
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In a bit of a surprise .. couple of sources indicate that 'The Tribe' at Gun Lake didn't approve the reopening of the poker room at a recent meeting.

In what to many wont be a surprise .. Why would you send out an email to Dealers before this vote/approval had taken place? I guess it was assumed that the council would just toss it's magic wand on whatever was on the agenda. Perhaps they weren't consulted enough or were pissed off that an assumption was made by management in sending out the email before the actual approval was made.

This certainly isn't the first time that we've had misinformation or just an about-face on an issue in that facility.

The intel also included the presumption that poker will not be readdressed until the hotel expansion is complete .. which could be as much as two years down the road.

Certainly a disappointment, but also an opportunity for the charity rooms to try and recapture the days of old .. GL
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:17 AM   #1417
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In a bit of a surprise .. couple of sources indicate that 'The Tribe' at Gun Lake didn't approve the reopening of the poker room at a recent meeting.

In what to many wont be a surprise .. Why would you send out an email to Dealers before this vote/approval had taken place? I guess it was assumed that the council would just toss it's magic wand on whatever was on the agenda. Perhaps they weren't consulted enough or were pissed off that an assumption was made by management in sending out the email before the actual approval was made.

This certainly isn't the first time that we've had misinformation or just an about-face on an issue in that facility.

The intel also included the presumption that poker will not be readdressed until the hotel expansion is complete .. which could be as much as two years down the road.

Certainly a disappointment, but also an opportunity for the charity rooms to try and recapture the days of old .. GL
Disappointing to say the least. Thanks for keeping us afloat. Any word on Westgate Bowl? I know you previously stated a target date of 8/1.
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Old 07-23-2021, 12:36 PM   #1418
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That date was not for Westgate .. That was for the charity room in Muskegon, which is up and running every weekend.

There was some chatter about King's maybe opening before 4PM as well, but I've yet to grace them with my presence!! GL
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Old 07-26-2021, 08:59 AM   #1419
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Short trip into King's Friday afternoon ..

1) Pretty sure they open/start taking names at 330 on Thurs/Fri
2) Pretty sure I heard they open earlier on Saturdays, but I was too busy playing to chat

3) The game was very good as expected .. basically all the same Players
4) Tournaments are up and running .. 3-5 tables per

5) They are working on a 2nd location, which would run Mon-Thur and be located north of the S-curve (but not Westgate) in a very convenient neighborhood
6) There was a brief PLO discussion, but IMO I don't think it would be consistently running until the 2nd location is open .. perhaps on the overlap day of Thursday?

Hard to tell if Players are avoiding Gun Lake (as they said they would until poker returns), but if they truly are on a 2-year plan now then it might be hard for them to keep their 'good' intentions in tack.

There was also intel that the 'social card club' in the U.P. got raided by MGCB and MSP last week. Which until that is all sorted out .. should the operators even care to pursue the issue with the State .. puts any attempt on a card club in WMich on hold for sure. GL
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