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Old 12-31-2018, 06:13 PM   #976
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Booker .. Thanks for the visit and hope you left up a bit, but not too much! Yes, GL is full of regs since it's not really a destination as of yet without a hotel. The population on the west side of Michigan is pretty conservative and so the poker community is pretty small.

Son .. Don't blame GL for one Player's issue. Anyone who comes to this site knows that there are a lot of 'Super Bowl' tournament players out there that are just looking for a TV spot to par take in and unfortunately you got caught up in one. We all know that you know that and this is as good as any spot to vent. Better luck next year?

GLake has opened up the door to quite a few new Players and along with that bring the many 'questionable' bullets that need to be dodged. GL
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Old 01-03-2019, 12:42 PM   #977
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Played at GL yesterday, dealers were commenting that the room was "much busier" than a normal Wednesday. I think the promotion for the WSOP Main Event seat is going to bring out plenty of players to achieve the 200 hour threshold for the Freeroll tournament.

Notes on that promo according to the Floor: They'll keep a log of hours, so players can check in occasionally to see where they stand. They also want to run the freeroll "very soon" after 3/31. Floor I talked to said he wouldn't be surprised if the tournament was held on 4/1. I think that's not going to happen, as no way they run a large freeroll on a Monday. So my guess is it takes place on Saturday 4/6. That would best serve the large amount of players who are going to qualify.

IMO, I think the promotion is a good one by the room. Easy for their regs to gain entry, and they'll make plenty of money off the rake generated by the extra play. Huge win for their marketing, and for one lucky player. Of course, depending on who ends up making the final 4-5 people at the final table, there could be a interesting chop negotiation.
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Old 01-11-2019, 05:33 PM   #978
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Possibly a new trend popping up at GLake this week ... 1/2 RxR ... They had 3 tables yesterday and I see a list for it today. I'm a huge RxR fan but could never get the conversation going at GLake myself. Could be with the PLO BBJ hitting again that the PLO Players want at least a limited shot at the $180K NL BBJ. The stakes are 100-500. Not sure how they track the rake at these tables, especially if they convert one way or the other during the day.

Not really too many new faces in the room last night ... They got over 60 in the $80 630 tournament (1 re-entry) which lasted quite late IMO for the structure, paying 8 I think. GL
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:37 PM   #979
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Played at GL yesterday, dealers were commenting that the room was "much busier" than a normal Wednesday. I think the promotion for the WSOP Main Event seat is going to bring out plenty of players to achieve the 200 hour threshold for the Freeroll tournament.

Notes on that promo according to the Floor: They'll keep a log of hours, so players can check in occasionally to see where they stand. They also want to run the freeroll "very soon" after 3/31. Floor I talked to said he wouldn't be surprised if the tournament was held on 4/1. I think that's not going to happen, as no way they run a large freeroll on a Monday. So my guess is it takes place on Saturday 4/6. That would best serve the large amount of players who are going to qualify.

IMO, I think the promotion is a good one by the room. Easy for their regs to gain entry, and they'll make plenty of money off the rake generated by the extra play. Huge win for their marketing, and for one lucky player. Of course, depending on who ends up making the final 4-5 people at the final table, there could be a interesting chop negotiation.
WHOA -- hang on. I didn't know about this and am curious. The promo is 200+ hours of cash game play at GLC gets you into a Main Event freeroll? Any stipulations? Obviously tournament hours of play don't count, right? Do all stakes of cash game play count? Anything else worth knowing?
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Old 01-12-2019, 12:38 AM   #980
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GLC continuing to impress me. Great games and have been seeing some high hitters traveling across state to play 5-10 PLO.
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Old 01-14-2019, 11:53 AM   #981
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If you have time for a stream today on Twitch.tv at 130 EST ... JLee is at the HPT Final Table today at AmeriStar. He's 6th/9 in chips but has close to 40bb, which is plenty to play with. He had the field crushed after Day 1 and also had a pretty decent lead at least once later in Day 2 but lots of chips change hands with the HPT structure.

GLake had a short-handed 1/2 RxR last night until about 1200 and then I think there was still 4 1/2 NL going strong until I left. The have overnight $100 HH promo. The 1/2 action was pretty lame, not sure if people are just sitting on hands putting in their freeroll hours or just bad cards.

The WSOP freeroll promotion will include any Players who put in at least 200 hours by March 31. A freeroll tournament will take place on Sunday April 7th and include a $15K package for the WSOP ME in July plus I think at least $15K additional prizepool cash based on the number of entries. I didn't really see any promotional posters/flyers in the room, but I didn't look very hard either.

Made my semi-annual trip to SEagle Saturday. I was excited to see a 2/5 RxR open but it was already broke by the time we finished our dinner plans and arrived at the casino. 1/2 action was very good with some very bad (good) stack punts when Players were the PF aggressor and kept betting. I didn't really get any of those chips and one call was super light so I'm not sure I would've seen it without any history with the Player. Short session but things are 'normal' from what I could see ... average age was 45+ for sure and on a Saturday night that's not good for Poker long term. GL
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Old 01-15-2019, 06:50 AM   #982
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Good showing by JLee, finishing 4th at the HPT yesterday ($50K?). After being pretty card dead he gained some chips when his KK held against a double Flop draw and some other well timed aggression.

I missed his bust out hand when his opponent 'trapped' with AA on A96-4-6 (?) and Justin got caught check-shoving the River with TT. Not totally sure on the full details as it was one of the first hands after a break. He was 2nd in chips at the time so his stack was deep enough to make a move I don't think he makes if he's a little shorter on the River.

This is his 2nd deep tournament run in less than a year. His 6th place at FKeepers Spring MSPT got him over $40K. Could be the start of a banner year for yet another WMich Player. GL
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Old 01-15-2019, 12:01 PM   #983
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A note on the GL WSOP Freeroll: The word I've received is that players in the Freeroll will have options for $100 re-buys during the tournament. Up to 3 times per player. That is in part how the room is guaranteeing an additional $15K prize pool outside of the $15K WSOP package. I don't think this information is well known so far among those who are trying to make it to 200 hours of play. I'm also not 100% sure the room has settled on this aspect of the tournament. Talk to the floor if you want to know more.
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Old 01-16-2019, 04:53 PM   #984
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The 1/2 action was pretty lame, not sure if people are just sitting on hands putting in their freeroll hours or just bad cards.
I agree and have seen nittier play since the 200 hour promo began.

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A note on the GL WSOP Freeroll: The word I've received is that players in the Freeroll will have options for $100 re-buys during the tournament. Up to 3 times per player. That is in part how the room is guaranteeing an additional $15K prize pool outside of the $15K WSOP package. I don't think this information is well known so far among those who are trying to make it to 200 hours of play. I'm also not 100% sure the room has settled on this aspect of the tournament. Talk to the floor if you want to know more.
This seriously devalues the freeroll, obviously. I had heard you could rebuy unlimited times in the first hour, so I agree that it sounds like they are still figuring that all out.
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Old 01-17-2019, 02:12 PM   #985
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#1 Answer20 is scared

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Old 01-18-2019, 02:32 PM   #986
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turtle creek closing down its poker room in march :/
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Old 01-18-2019, 09:48 PM   #987
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How's life in the Pitts JZ?
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Old 01-22-2019, 12:39 PM   #988
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Turtle Creek is closing poker on March 31st. They are scheduled to begin promos on March 1st to deplete the promotional fund by the end of the month. The promos 'have' to be cash game related according to who I spoke with. They are still putting details together on how this is going to happen. GL
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Old 01-28-2019, 07:37 AM   #989
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Another good tournament run for a WMich Player. BradO finished 5th at MSPT's return to the Majestic Star in East Chicago. He was the Day 1B chip leader and came to the FT 2nd in chips. Brad plays pretty aggressive and that served him well until the player on his left stared to get hit by the deck and they ended up in a bloated pot as the big stacks. This player shoved into Brad's lead Turn bet and Brad folded away his two overs and gutter. Dropping from 2nd to 5th in chips he ultimately ended up losing when his A6 lost to a pocket pair.

The tournament drew 309 players, which is like a normal Day 1 at Keepers, but will return in August I believe. MStar's new poker manager came over from the 'shoe and is trying to build the room back up. I think it had been at least 7 or so years since MSPT had been at that venue.

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Word that FKeepers is adding a 2nd hotel tower came across the chat during the FT. Not sure what they hope to gain with that without also expanding the gaming floor as well. Perhaps they will match SEagle's lead and offer a free night per month to vets?

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I still haven't set foot in GLakes garage .. maybe this week with the weather. Stay safe as 131 can be a mess with east-west winds and drifting. GL
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Old 01-29-2019, 09:18 AM   #990
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Well, if you brave the weather ..... you will be rewarded? Normally not the case, but the GLake BBJ hit last night at a 1/2 table. Word is that one of our favorite sushi chefs can now buy a new set of knives as his quad 9s got straight flushed to the tune of over $90k!! (40% of 228k) Bravo has not been updated as of yet with the new target, but I think it was fairly large .. maybe $40K?

I saw two 1/2 and a RxR (so no 2/5) at around 8pm ... so that is a pretty slow Monday. The table share would've been around $13k if it was full, which I assume it was. GL

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Old 01-31-2019, 11:22 AM   #991
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Well .. about the only thing I got right about the BBJ was that it actually did hit! Per the Gun Lake Facebook pictures both the 'winning' player and hand were wrong in my other post. It's pretty sad that I didn't really recognize any of the players shown in the FB pictures either. It was hit 7-handed as well, so the table share was sweetened a bit. Reset was around $50K ... so GLake should pass FKeepers pretty fast as to who has the largest BBJ. GL
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:23 PM   #992
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I have to imagine that itís been a pretty slow week, I keep seeing alerts from MDOT reporting awful road conditions, on 131 especially.

Nice payouts tho
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Looks like Westgate is back into the poker world!! Had to do a little checking and I stopped in since I was nearby ... The return of Lori and Brian via the Rounders Supplier license. Looks like they will run Sunday to Wednesday. 2-3 tournament tables and a cash game going on a Monday was pretty good I think after what they described as a rough start due to a charity issue and the weather.

Originally I had thought that King's had started up there as a 2nd location, but then I saw that there was a Sunday overlap which really didn't make sense. Certainly more convenient for me on the north side of GR during the week ... I failed to ask if they were getting a cash game going right away before tournament but the licenses show that they start at 300 ... for now the phone is 231-580-4929 but it may change. GL
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I had a reminder today of how cash game players and tournament specialists live in different worlds.

People seem almost shocked when I tell them I only play tournaments. Too much variance. Having to sit in an online tournament for eight hours or more. Playing cash makes you a better player. The gist is that I better learn to play cash if I know what's good for me. I could give you a bunch of reasons why I chose to play only tournaments, but when I do, cash players just look at me like I'm crazy.

I was chatting online with a rep from Juicy Stakes Poker a few minutes ago. It was a great example of how the two sides don't understand each other. I was asking about rakeback and he kept talking about pots and drops and calculations that aren't relevant in tournaments. I told him that the only rake was on a tournament buy-in and that the rake amount is on the tournament page .

All I needed to know was the percentage. I said three different times that I only play tournaments before he gave me the rakeback percentage. I'm still not sure that he understands how tournaments work. I have no idea what he thinks about me. It really was like we were speaking completely different languages.
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1) I didn't know you could get rakeback from tournaments .. good to know and good for you!

2) LOTS of phone reps don't have a clue about who they work for. They just have a flow chart of Q&A that hopefully leads to a resolution for the caller. Plenty of Dealers either don't pay attention or don't grasp how to play poker, but they are really good at their job.

3) Plenty of thoughts out there on cash v tournament. I think a tournament 'should' have a cash feel to it for the first 4-8 levels .. or how ever long they can set up a structure with an average of over 80-100bb. Once you get to an average stack under 40bb then the 'charts' need to start taking over your thought process a bit more IMO. I've not had the success I'd like to have in tournaments and it comes from both giving Players too much credit in 'cash game' spots and some pretty bad coolers ... and of course I've made my fair share of 'interesting' calls as well only to find out that a hand was played in an even more 'interesting' way by the opponent.

Good to hear from you Clif .. You need to get down to GLake on a Thursday for the $80 tournament ... I'll give you $10 for a 10% stake and make sure you're well fed off my comps!! GL
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[QUOTE=answer20;54821897]1) I didn't know you could get rakeback from tournaments. good to know and good for you!

MTT rakeback on Juicy Stakes is 36%. Not too shabby.

2) LOTS of phone reps don't have a clue about who they work for. They just have a flow chart of Q&A that hopefully leads to a resolution for the caller. Plenty of Dealers either don't pay attention or don't grasp how to play poker, but they are really good at their job.

There is a lot of that going around. I've always thought that clueless reps are that way because they don't get the training or autonomy that they need to fix a simple problem. I remember an ACR tournament where, because of technical issues, some of the tables in my tournament were lagging but others were not. While we were chatting I was giving the blow-by-blow description of what I was seeing in real time, I asked the guy (it's always a guy for some reason) to look at the tournament for himself and I gave him the T#. He wouldn't, or couldn't, do something as simple as that.

Comcast reps are the same way. They are so wed to a script that they can't get past telling me to make sure that that the TV is plugged in and to check the connections, even though I'm telling him about what is happening on the screen.

3) Plenty of thoughts out there on cash v tournament. I think a tournament 'should' have a cash feel to it for the first 4-8 levels .. or how ever long they can set up a structure with an average of over 80-100bb. Once you get to an average stack under 40bb then the 'charts' need to start taking over your thought process a bit more IMO. I've not had the success I'd like to have in tournaments and it comes from both giving Players too much credit in 'cash game' spots and some pretty bad coolers ... and of course I've made my fair share of 'interesting' calls as well only to find out that a hand was played in an even more 'interesting' way by the opponent.

My preference is always to play deepstacked, so the way that you describe optimal play is exactly right. I like having a lot of time for chip accumulation so that I can bully the players who register late for just a few buy-ins. I'm always up for a 10-hour MTT, which gives me an edge. By about hour 7 or 8 players start complaining about being tired, I have to get up for work in the morning, etc.


Good to hear from you Clif .. You need to get down to GLake on a Thursday for the $80 tournament ... I'll give you $10 for a 10% stake and make sure you're well fed off my comps!! GL

Good to hear from you as well. I've been down for a few months. Lots of technical problems (including major internet issues), two eye surgeries and other things that have limited my ability to play.

Thanks for your kind offer but money isn't really the issue. Well, it kind of is because I'm a big bankroll nit and I never play an online MTT when I don't have 100 buy-ins. Last year I decided to stick religiously to those 100 BI, every time, for every tournament, which is why I only played online the entire year. I am going to start playing live again very soon. After all of the technical issues online, I know that I need live options as well.

The other thing is that my wife and I are life bankroll nits as well. That's why my wife and I live in a paid-for double-wide where our only payment is $400 a month for lot rent. We only have one car. If you've read the book, "The Millionaire Next Door" that's us. We aren't millionaires yet, but we save and invest a lot of our money.

After all of the online technical issues, I know that it's time to open up more options. I will probably take a shot at Gun Lake sometime in March. I'll PM you and we can set a date when we can both be there for the $80.

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Old 02-13-2019, 01:03 AM   #997
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Hey guys, I’m an online poker pro from Lansing. Any other online pros from close to this area?
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Old 02-16-2019, 09:27 AM   #998
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Is there a Skype group or discord group for online poker. This page doesnít seem very active
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Old 02-17-2019, 11:27 AM   #999
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You have 4 posts lol.. Gun Lakes busiest day is still Friday. Lots of great action as usual..... I continue to see new faces trying the room out
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The WM and FKeeper threads are mainly live Players with the exception of Poker Clif. I think there are some online guys in the Detroit thread, but you may want to do some more searching on this site to find "LOTS" of online guys you can get involved with ...

... You do realize that you entered a 'Live Poker' - 'Venue' sub-forum? eh?

Welcome to 2+2, if you look for it, it's here ... including folks who live stream their online play I believe. I don't go to that area of the site very much. GL
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