They are playing on the PPPoker Ap. There are a couple of threads you can search for here, including an European version that I found a few weeks ago. I've heard very good things about the 'Michigan Group'.

I liken it to a combination of the WPT and Amway business models. The Ap is available in the Play Store.

1) Download Ap and register your email and unique user ID.
2) Contact an agent/sponsor (via an existing player) to get the entry code for their group and discuss what level of interest you may have. Some players are more intense than others! Some groups are 'full' or don't accept new members from time to time.
3) Enter the group and compete as much as you'd like.
4) Contact your agent/sponsor should you wish to redeem/increase your play level.
5) You only play against others that are included in your sponsor's group or other groups that have agreed to share members.
6) If you don't feel like playing you can still use the code to observe the group's activities to determine your interest level in the game.

Other than the typical internet 'cooler' types of play I've heard pretty good things about the Ap software and it's sponsors. GL

PP is fun. Action is insane, even at lower stakes. Make sure you know/trust the rep you'll be dealing with, I don't think there have been any problems with the Michigan-based groups.

Cons would be ridiculous rake that is not advertised and hard to calculate on the fly, and while there are safeguards to cheating, there are very obvious work-arounds. So play at your own risk.

Babydutch is scared to play me heads up

Sorry I took so long to get back to this, I've had a lot going on. I had surgery on my left eye a few days ago and the right eye will be next. I'm having a lot of trouble reading and typing. Not an injury, the surgery is because of cataracts along with generally very poor vision. I've been worse than 20/400 for a long time (at lease 40 years) and glasses aren't doing the job any more. After my right eye is corrected I will be great at distance vision (left eye is 20/30 now) but I won't be able to read up close. I barely can read now. When both eyes are fixed I will need glasses for reading. It's a process that will go into the new year.

The casino meeting was as Answer thought it would be, at least for the first hour. It was an hour of people speaking about Environmental Impact Statement compliance. I had filled out a card to be a speaker, but after I saw it wasn't about anything but the IES I withdrew my request to speak

Then it went off the rails. The rules were that speakers time would be strictly timed and there would be no questions for the speaker. Instead, people spoke about all of the things that you might expect. for as long as they wanted to talk:

Gambling destroys families. It will bring jobs to the area. How expensive will the infrastrture be (for example, road improvements for the extra traffic?) The kind of stuff you would expect to hear once speakers were allowed to say whatever they wanted.

After the scheduled speakers were done most of the cameras left. As far as I know the only camera coverage at the end was M-Live. My wife told me that she saw me on the live feed.

After the cameras and more than half of the audience was gone they asked anyone else who wanted to speak to come forward. I closed the show as the last speaker.

I made a pitch for a poker room: lack of places to play on the lakeshore and series players see a poker room as our workplace. I said that until recently (Gun Lake) I was more than 100 miles from a casino that dealt poker. I also said that I was currently about 70 miles from the nearest room (Gun Lake) but that a Fruitport Township casino would shorten my drive from 70 miles to 17, even less for residents of the city of Muskegon (I live in Muskegon Township.)

The meeting went for about three hours. My closing sentence was "Please give us a poker room!"

When I was finished, one of the tribal leaders came up to me, gave me a business card and said, "I will." I talked to him for about five minutes and he seemed to understand and agree with everything that I had said.

If I didn't get all \of the typing and spelling errors, I apologize. It's weird doing this with my eyes just a few inches from the monitor.

The bottom line is that so far everything looks good for a casino with a poker room.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ng/2384296002/ Looks like legal online poker is going to happen in Michigan. I just wish the tax laws were not so messed up.

Hell yeah now my run bad can eventually continue online

That sound promising but I'm curious about some things.


The end of the article mentioned a 8% online gaming tax for state-licensed online poker. What does that mean for the players.

My first thought was that players would cover that by paying an 8% rake to play, but that doesn't make sense. It can't be that simple. Cash games and tournaments are raked differently.

There is one important factor that wasn't mentioned in the article. It makes a big difference for poker players whether we wind up in a compact with other states.

Michigan's population is about 10 million. It would probably take a population more than twice that to provide a decent player pool for the games. There is talk that Texas (population 28 million) might come along soon. That could be a gamechanger.

My belief is that when you put your deposit or withdrawl, they will automatically skim the 8%. Then you will have to play a raked game on top of that putting you somewhere around an 18% rake. Might as well go play roulette and give the house your money at that point.

I have been playing for a long time, and withdrawals weren't always so complicated. Juicy Stakes Poker takes out a $50 fee any time you withdrawal. You can get around that by raking enough in a month to avoid that fee.

The problem is that whenever I ask a precise question, such as how much rake that would be, I get a vague response. One time I asked a question and they told me that when I am eligible to withdraw also "Depends on other factors" that are not listed on the site's pages.

I play only MTTs so I won't pile up rake the way a cash player might. I also play on Americas Cardroom, but clearly I can't divide my time between multiple sites if I want to get no-fee withdrawals.

JSP is just one example, because most sites seem to have increasingly complicated and onerous rules about withdrawals. Of course they have formulas to figure that out but good luck getting them to tell you what that formula is, at least in the case of Juicy Stakes.

Considering that Michigan-regulated poker could start out with a very small player pool, those issues become important. You can't just study and play poker any more. There are a lot of side issues to consider if you want to make a profit.

[U]Thursday[ and Sunday/U]
Build-a-stack
$20 - 20K
$30 - 30K
$40 - 40K
$50 - 50K
Add-on at break, $10 - 10K
Late registration open until first break.

Friday
$40 - 30K
Rebuy $40
Add-on at break, $40 - 40K
Late registration open until first break.

Saturday

$50 freezeout
Late registration open until first break.

The 8% (8% of exactly what I don't know) is going to be paid by the sites. Who knows what the rake will end up being but I'm sure it will be somewhere in the realm of reasonable.

What concerns me more is the stupid Michigan law that says amature gamblers owe state income on every winning session and cannot deduct losing sessions.

Of course everybody here properly pays their taxes but I'd have to imagine some of those who maybe forget to report their B&M winnings might not play online given that we are likely to have to supply addresses and Social Security numbers to the sites...

Quick glances at GLake showed pretty good action through Christmas ... and the 'daily' PLO streak continues!! It didn't look good 'on' Christmas, but a table popped up later in the day and was still running quite late past Midnight.

It even looked like FKeepers had a couple going as well, but with the hotel there I think that was more expected. For 40-70 people to drive to GLake is pretty good IMO. Of course Vegas was rockin' just like any other day .. including the 2500/5000 Mix game at Bellagio. GL

Answer20 vs Santa vs Grinch.. triple threat match

I realized recently that something is missing from this forum. This is supposed to be about poker in West Michigan, but other than a post a year ago or more by someone in Ludington, all of the posters and talk seem to be about what's going on in the Grand Rapids/Muskegon/Holland triangle, and I'm one of the very few that talk about Muskegon.

It would be nice to get more people involved and to know what's going on in different places, for example, Four Winds Casino. Is anybody trying to get a new charity room going somewhere between the triangle and Lansing? That would be a good thing to know.

I don't know if the OTT players don't think that they fit in with what (and where) we talk about, or if nothing worth talking about happens there, but something must be going on in more than the three or four counties that we always feature in this thread.

EDIT: If you're an OTT player that reads this thread but doesn't post, we would love to hear from you.

I realized recently that something is missing from this forum. This is supposed to be about poker in West Michigan, but other than a post a year ago or more by someone in Ludington, all of the posters and talk seem to be about what's going on in the Grand Rapids/Muskegon/Holland triangle, and I'm one of the very few that talk about Muskegon.

It would be nice to get more people involved and to know what's going on in different places, for example, Four Winds Casino. Is anybody trying to get a new charity room going somewhere between the triangle and Lansing? That would be a good thing to know.

I don't know if the OTT players don't think that they fit in with what (and where) we talk about, or if nothing worth talking about happens there, but something must be going on in more than the three or four counties that we always feature in this thread.

At 6:30 P.M. Governor Snyder vetoed the online poker bill. I have no idea how this happened. I wonder if the House and Senate had any communication with the governor on this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.bb04d7a230a9

Anyone play the $340 black chip bounty at GLC? If so how'd you like the BB Ante format and the overall tournament?

I was in Kalamazoo yesterday so I drove up and played at Gun Lake yesterday for a couple hours. First visit. General impressions are that it's a nice room and well run. Good sized tables, comfortable chairs. Dealers all seemed to be pretty experienced and ran a good game. Traffic was steady but it wasn't packed, about half the tables were full at most.

Also seemed like a lot of regulars. Some of it may have been just dealers having player names from player cards, but about half the players seemed to be on a first name basis with dealers.

Made the mistaken of playing the $340 bounty at GLC and got slow rolled by a dbag. wish I was paying attention and would have went to firekeepers

There are plenty of dbags at firekeepers too.

I don't run into dbags a lot but when you suck out on me then tank call my all in. Then slow roll me.. you're a dbag

Booker .. Thanks for the visit and hope you left up a bit, but not too much! Yes, GL is full of regs since it's not really a destination as of yet without a hotel. The population on the west side of Michigan is pretty conservative and so the poker community is pretty small.

Son .. Don't blame GL for one Player's issue. Anyone who comes to this site knows that there are a lot of 'Super Bowl' tournament players out there that are just looking for a TV spot to par take in and unfortunately you got caught up in one. We all know that you know that and this is as good as any spot to vent. Better luck next year?

GLake has opened up the door to quite a few new Players and along with that bring the many 'questionable' bullets that need to be dodged. GL

Played at GL yesterday, dealers were commenting that the room was "much busier" than a normal Wednesday. I think the promotion for the WSOP Main Event seat is going to bring out plenty of players to achieve the 200 hour threshold for the Freeroll tournament.

Notes on that promo according to the Floor: They'll keep a log of hours, so players can check in occasionally to see where they stand. They also want to run the freeroll "very soon" after 3/31. Floor I talked to said he wouldn't be surprised if the tournament was held on 4/1. I think that's not going to happen, as no way they run a large freeroll on a Monday. So my guess is it takes place on Saturday 4/6. That would best serve the large amount of players who are going to qualify.

IMO, I think the promotion is a good one by the room. Easy for their regs to gain entry, and they'll make plenty of money off the rake generated by the extra play. Huge win for their marketing, and for one lucky player. Of course, depending on who ends up making the final 4-5 people at the final table, there could be a interesting chop negotiation.

Possibly a new trend popping up at GLake this week ... 1/2 RxR ... They had 3 tables yesterday and I see a list for it today. I'm a huge RxR fan but could never get the conversation going at GLake myself. Could be with the PLO BBJ hitting again that the PLO Players want at least a limited shot at the $180K NL BBJ. The stakes are 100-500. Not sure how they track the rake at these tables, especially if they convert one way or the other during the day.

Not really too many new faces in the room last night ... They got over 60 in the $80 630 tournament (1 re-entry) which lasted quite late IMO for the structure, paying 8 I think. GL

WHOA -- hang on. I didn't know about this and am curious. The promo is 200+ hours of cash game play at GLC gets you into a Main Event freeroll? Any stipulations? Obviously tournament hours of play don't count, right? Do all stakes of cash game play count? Anything else worth knowing?