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01-04-2016 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by brassbonanza
Played here on Saturday 1/2/16 - 4.5 hour wait for a 1/2 table. Complete mess everywhere. Got there around 6:00 fully expecting to wait a bit and was willing to do so. Come to find out, they're not taking names for 1/2. The list is closed. This defeats the purpose of a list. Instead, there ends up being a pool of people waiting around the desk for them to begin taking names again, all the while they keep yelling at everyone to move away and give them space. So now I have to wait and can't even go have dinner. Finally after 45 minutes they begin taking names again - after a change in staff at the desk and the woman who came in just started taking names without telling anyone. There were 100+ people in front of me on the list, far more than I've ever seen anywhere. The list moved at a snail's pace both because it was a popular time, but for other reasons I'll outline below.

Their software is so terrible it can't hold more than 30 names, so the majority of the list was on a legal pad, and the people at the desk couldn't figure out how to transfer the names from the pad to the list without having overlaps or confusion on their end. They badly need Bravo, or at least some other form of software that isn't a stripped-down Excel spreadsheet projected onto a screen.

During the wait, I walked over to the rail and was observing the tables and how they ran when a seat opened up. Some of the dealers being new and not having experience would softly call out an open seat once and then forget about it. A table right in front of me had two open seats for almost 15 minutes before they were finally filled because a floor happened to see them. Other times, the dealer called out loudly an open seat and the floor just didn't react. Even further, there were times it would be called out, the floor would radio to the desk, and the desk wouldn't call anyone. They're so busy trying to hunt down the people that left, finding another 10-20 stud player, or figuring out how to work their ridiculous software, that they let things go. At one point, they called a 1-2 player the normal three times, gave a last call, then stopped. Apparently, in the time between that they forgot they'd called the person and didn't take the initials off the list, then 10 minutes later called the same person again and went through the same three-call protocol, wasting even more time for everyone involved. When I finally say, one of the dealers commented "Well, you can come in and put your name on the list, go home take a shower, have a nap, then come back." Well pal, that's not going to work for the large base of customers you have coming from 30+ minutes away up here in Boston. Just a bit of an example of how out of touch some of the people here are.

There are some people there, dealers and floor, who have a clue what they're doing and/or are trying to do run the room effectively. Unfortunately, there's an equal amount of people who don't give a crap and have no idea what the hell they're doing. I even overheard a cashier who was giving me chips say how the poker room is the worst thing that ever happened to the casino. Probably not what you want your poker customers hearing.

Also, during the wait I overheard a floor (one of the really good ones who ran things really well) chatting with the guy right next to me about the whole situation. The player asked if you could call the desk ahead of time and get on the list. The floor said they had all been explicitly instructed by management to not answer the phones there if anyone calls at any time. Again, really bad form and bad customer service.

It's nice that they try to offer multiple different kinds of games here, but in a 16-table room with 100+ person lists for 1/2 and 2/5 all day on weekends, spreading 10/20 stud, 5/10 and 3/6 limit just isn't a good idea. They have eight 1/2 tables, four 2/5, and the other four dispersed among 5/10, 3/6, and stud. Even switching up two of those tables to 1/2 or 2/5 would help alleviate things. 10/20 had virtually no interest, 5/10 had some but many of the players just ended up on that list because 2/5 was too long. The desk personnel were begging people asking for 2/5 to go on 5/10 instead.

There's a lot of potential here to draw people who don't want to make the drive all the way to FW or MS, but they need to make the room bigger, something it appears isn't going to happen soon. That said, some quick fixes that require little or no money and no regulatory changes such as amending the games they spread to reflect demand, joining Bravo or finding more advanced software, answering the phones, and perhaps running a Twitter account with live updates would make things much better.

There was still a 25-person wait list for 1/2 at 2:45 am when I left on Saturday night. I've never seen that anywhere I've played, east coast, west coast, or Las Vegas. I loaded Bravo on my phone just to take a look at what wait times were like elsewhere - open seating at MS, FW, sub-10 waitlists at Bellagio, Aria, Wynn, Venetian, Caesars, etc. where it was only 11:45 at night! Ridiculous.
1st post ?? wow.
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01-04-2016 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Billy723
Funny you should ask, just saw this on twitter like 4 hours ago: FW 2/5 10k
Most unusual.
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01-04-2016 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ZenForest
1st post ?? wow.
Been lurking unregistered for a long while :P
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01-04-2016 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by brassbonanza
Played here on Saturday 1/2/16 - 4.5 hour wait for a 1/2 table. Complete mess everywhere. Got there around 6:00 fully expecting to wait a bit and was willing to do so. Come to find out, they're not taking names for 1/2. The list is closed. This defeats the purpose of a list. Instead, there ends up being a pool of people waiting around the desk for them to begin taking names again, all the while they keep yelling at everyone to move away and give them space. So now I have to wait and can't even go have dinner. Finally after 45 minutes they begin taking names again - after a change in staff at the desk and the woman who came in just started taking names without telling anyone. There were 100+ people in front of me on the list, far more than I've ever seen anywhere. The list moved at a snail's pace both because it was a popular time, but for other reasons I'll outline below.

Their software is so terrible it can't hold more than 30 names, so the majority of the list was on a legal pad, and the people at the desk couldn't figure out how to transfer the names from the pad to the list without having overlaps or confusion on their end. They badly need Bravo, or at least some other form of software that isn't a stripped-down Excel spreadsheet projected onto a screen.

During the wait, I walked over to the rail and was observing the tables and how they ran when a seat opened up. Some of the dealers being new and not having experience would softly call out an open seat once and then forget about it. A table right in front of me had two open seats for almost 15 minutes before they were finally filled because a floor happened to see them. Other times, the dealer called out loudly an open seat and the floor just didn't react. Even further, there were times it would be called out, the floor would radio to the desk, and the desk wouldn't call anyone. They're so busy trying to hunt down the people that left, finding another 10-20 stud player, or figuring out how to work their ridiculous software, that they let things go. At one point, they called a 1-2 player the normal three times, gave a last call, then stopped. Apparently, in the time between that they forgot they'd called the person and didn't take the initials off the list, then 10 minutes later called the same person again and went through the same three-call protocol, wasting even more time for everyone involved. When I finally say, one of the dealers commented "Well, you can come in and put your name on the list, go home take a shower, have a nap, then come back." Well pal, that's not going to work for the large base of customers you have coming from 30+ minutes away up here in Boston. Just a bit of an example of how out of touch some of the people here are.

There are some people there, dealers and floor, who have a clue what they're doing and/or are trying to do run the room effectively. Unfortunately, there's an equal amount of people who don't give a crap and have no idea what the hell they're doing. I even overheard a cashier who was giving me chips say how the poker room is the worst thing that ever happened to the casino. Probably not what you want your poker customers hearing.

Also, during the wait I overheard a floor (one of the really good ones who ran things really well) chatting with the guy right next to me about the whole situation. The player asked if you could call the desk ahead of time and get on the list. The floor said they had all been explicitly instructed by management to not answer the phones there if anyone calls at any time. Again, really bad form and bad customer service.

It's nice that they try to offer multiple different kinds of games here, but in a 16-table room with 100+ person lists for 1/2 and 2/5 all day on weekends, spreading 10/20 stud, 5/10 and 3/6 limit just isn't a good idea. They have eight 1/2 tables, four 2/5, and the other four dispersed among 5/10, 3/6, and stud. Even switching up two of those tables to 1/2 or 2/5 would help alleviate things. 10/20 had virtually no interest, 5/10 had some but many of the players just ended up on that list because 2/5 was too long. The desk personnel were begging people asking for 2/5 to go on 5/10 instead.

There's a lot of potential here to draw people who don't want to make the drive all the way to FW or MS, but they need to make the room bigger, something it appears isn't going to happen soon. That said, some quick fixes that require little or no money and no regulatory changes such as amending the games they spread to reflect demand, joining Bravo or finding more advanced software, answering the phones, and perhaps running a Twitter account with live updates would make things much better.

There was still a 25-person wait list for 1/2 at 2:45 am when I left on Saturday night. I've never seen that anywhere I've played, east coast, west coast, or Las Vegas. I loaded Bravo on my phone just to take a look at what wait times were like elsewhere - open seating at MS, FW, sub-10 waitlists at Bellagio, Aria, Wynn, Venetian, Caesars, etc. where it was only 11:45 at night! Ridiculous.
+1
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01-04-2016 , 09:30 PM
showing up to a less than two month old room with 16 tables at 6 on a saturday night....

Spoiler:
OMFG A WAIT?????
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01-04-2016 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by brassbonanza
Played here on Saturday 1/2/16 - 4.5 hour wait for a 1/2 table. Complete mess everywhere. Got there around 6:00 fully expecting to wait a bit and was willing to do so. Come to find out, they're not taking names for 1/2. The list is closed. This defeats the purpose of a list. Instead, there ends up being a pool of people waiting around the desk for them to begin taking names again, all the while they keep yelling at everyone to move away and give them space. So now I have to wait and can't even go have dinner. Finally after 45 minutes they begin taking names again - after a change in staff at the desk and the woman who came in just started taking names without telling anyone. There were 100+ people in front of me on the list, far more than I've ever seen anywhere. The list moved at a snail's pace both because it was a popular time, but for other reasons I'll outline below.

Their software is so terrible it can't hold more than 30 names, so the majority of the list was on a legal pad, and the people at the desk couldn't figure out how to transfer the names from the pad to the list without having overlaps or confusion on their end. They badly need Bravo, or at least some other form of software that isn't a stripped-down Excel spreadsheet projected onto a screen.

During the wait, I walked over to the rail and was observing the tables and how they ran when a seat opened up. Some of the dealers being new and not having experience would softly call out an open seat once and then forget about it. A table right in front of me had two open seats for almost 15 minutes before they were finally filled because a floor happened to see them. Other times, the dealer called out loudly an open seat and the floor just didn't react. Even further, there were times it would be called out, the floor would radio to the desk, and the desk wouldn't call anyone. They're so busy trying to hunt down the people that left, finding another 10-20 stud player, or figuring out how to work their ridiculous software, that they let things go. At one point, they called a 1-2 player the normal three times, gave a last call, then stopped. Apparently, in the time between that they forgot they'd called the person and didn't take the initials off the list, then 10 minutes later called the same person again and went through the same three-call protocol, wasting even more time for everyone involved. When I finally say, one of the dealers commented "Well, you can come in and put your name on the list, go home take a shower, have a nap, then come back." Well pal, that's not going to work for the large base of customers you have coming from 30+ minutes away up here in Boston. Just a bit of an example of how out of touch some of the people here are.

There are some people there, dealers and floor, who have a clue what they're doing and/or are trying to do run the room effectively. Unfortunately, there's an equal amount of people who don't give a crap and have no idea what the hell they're doing. I even overheard a cashier who was giving me chips say how the poker room is the worst thing that ever happened to the casino. Probably not what you want your poker customers hearing.

Also, during the wait I overheard a floor (one of the really good ones who ran things really well) chatting with the guy right next to me about the whole situation. The player asked if you could call the desk ahead of time and get on the list. The floor said they had all been explicitly instructed by management to not answer the phones there if anyone calls at any time. Again, really bad form and bad customer service.

It's nice that they try to offer multiple different kinds of games here, but in a 16-table room with 100+ person lists for 1/2 and 2/5 all day on weekends, spreading 10/20 stud, 5/10 and 3/6 limit just isn't a good idea. They have eight 1/2 tables, four 2/5, and the other four dispersed among 5/10, 3/6, and stud. Even switching up two of those tables to 1/2 or 2/5 would help alleviate things. 10/20 had virtually no interest, 5/10 had some but many of the players just ended up on that list because 2/5 was too long. The desk personnel were begging people asking for 2/5 to go on 5/10 instead.

There's a lot of potential here to draw people who don't want to make the drive all the way to FW or MS, but they need to make the room bigger, something it appears isn't going to happen soon. That said, some quick fixes that require little or no money and no regulatory changes such as amending the games they spread to reflect demand, joining Bravo or finding more advanced software, answering the phones, and perhaps running a Twitter account with live updates would make things much better.

There was still a 25-person wait list for 1/2 at 2:45 am when I left on Saturday night. I've never seen that anywhere I've played, east coast, west coast, or Las Vegas. I loaded Bravo on my phone just to take a look at what wait times were like elsewhere - open seating at MS, FW, sub-10 waitlists at Bellagio, Aria, Wynn, Venetian, Caesars, etc. where it was only 11:45 at night! Ridiculous.
I agree, but its a Holiday weekend for a room that is very new. I drove the extra hour to Mohegan on Saturday. MS was very busy with 38 tables going at 6pm - wait list were very manageable, but all restaurants were jammed.
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01-04-2016 , 10:39 PM
There wasn't even a slot machine open Saturday night. New Years weekend is always the busiest at a casino.

The poker room is new. Relax
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01-05-2016 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bmoney
There wasn't even a slot machine open Saturday night. New Years weekend is always the busiest at a casino.

The poker room is new. Relax
The exact same problems existed two weeks prior to that when I was there. Like I said, I went fully expecting a wait and had no problem. It was the incompetence, lack of foresight, and rudeness of some staff that irked me - something that isn't tied to the calendar. When players are calling out open seats to the floor because the dealer doesn't know they're supposed to, you have a problem.
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01-05-2016 , 01:13 AM
As a guy who "goes back" to my roots in central Mass 2x yearly, and used to live in No.Prov until 2005, I follow this thread with great interest.
It's sad that, on two counts, this room is failing to meet expectations. One more global failure is the predictable, awful, back room way that the product has been and is being delivered to the poker players of Rhode Island and southern New England. No bravo, paper lists, bad management, ill trained dealers, etc.etc.....yup. Why would anyone in Rhode Island do anything that speaks to industry norms and standards.
But, it's the other part of the equation that make me quite sad: the quite low expectations of the customers of the poker room, some, not all, but some, who defend the room, saying they are new, give it time.....also, the Facebook group that now says they won't tolerate any more moaning and complaining....

You have here, in this forum, a number of people that will compare this room to others, all across the USA. Rightfully so. And what do they get....a reply to be told, to give it time, the room is new, it has growing pains. I'm calling BS on all of that. This casino is not new, poker is not new, adult gaming and entertainment is not new. If Twin Rivers can't get the right people and equipment in there to present a decent product, they have big issues. And that appears to be the case.
I'm holding off any judgement on my own until I get there in March. But Jeeze Louise, this place is a casino, you'd think they would have some idea, folks.
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01-05-2016 , 02:19 AM
1 - 2 hour wait is completely understandable. A 4 1/2 hour wait is a problem.
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01-05-2016 , 08:23 AM
the 4 hour wait is merely due to room size...you can only have 156 players seated at one time.

I would much rather the room open and be PACKED...then they open it with 50 tables and there be a ton of empty tables...the RI gaming commision would say "see we told you"..you have to remmeber the square footage in a casino is seen in $ not feet. a poker table is 1million$ profit...but think of how many slot machines you can fit to where one table is....at least 6....which I guarantee those 6 will profit WAY more than 1mil in a year

again its a month old....I have been to other rooms across the country that were WAAAAAY worse in the way it was run, dirty,rude floors/dealers...scum of the earth (and they were all established)...but they mostly turned it around and are nice rooms now...if after 6 months nothing has changed...then I will agree with everything you are saying...unfortunately like everything else in RI...they like to build the plane while it flying

IM not apologising for how its run....or what it is...but it being open has re-vitalized my poker playing...so I take it for what it is...but for full disclosure...I play 2/5 so the wait is never THAT long...and the times I go the 1/2 isnt long either..and somtimes open seating...granted the weekends will be packed
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01-05-2016 , 05:12 PM
4 1/2 hrs is nuttin, Fallsview Ontario has a real nice room.... maybe 20 tables. I was there.....4 tables running. 1/2, 2/5......list 40+. I ask the floor...why not open more tables...ans: we dont want to. me: how long is the wait? ans: 16-24 hours...lololol WHAT !?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!? guy says players leave their phone numbers, and they call them, they have 30 min to get in seat or lose place on "list" lolololol this was about 2 years ago... hope its changed........
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01-05-2016 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Puckster
ans: we dont want to
that is just a plain irresponsible answer. At least all tables are full when the wait gets crazy at TR.
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01-05-2016 , 06:27 PM
for my fellow germaphobes, the upstairs bathrooms do NOT have toilet covers/liners.
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01-05-2016 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rrb
for my fellow germaphobes, the upstairs bathrooms do NOT have toilet covers/liners.
The women's room toilets do have the covers (the ones by the table games).
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01-05-2016 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jh12547
1 - 2 hour wait is completely understandable. A 4 1/2 hour wait is a problem.
Went there on a weekday pm. Waited for 1/2 table for 2.5 hours. Dealers, through no fault of their own, are unbearably slow. Floor is for the most part very unhelpful. Points (make that "point") are impossible to get credited to your card. Took them forever to open the room. I thought they might have been just a little better prepared.
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01-05-2016 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rrb
for my fellow germaphobes, the upstairs bathrooms do NOT have toilet covers/liners.
I was there 2 weeks ago, it was busy....the second floor bathroom had no attendent..........for hours....2 stalls plugged...exceeded Rockingham Park and the old Boston Garden. Grossest place in history
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01-06-2016 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jjb511
Went there on a weekday pm. Waited for 1/2 table for 2.5 hours. Dealers, through no fault of their own, are unbearably slow. Floor is for the most part very unhelpful. Points (make that "point") are impossible to get credited to your card. Took them forever to open the room. I thought they might have been just a little better prepared.
I know a couple of the supervisors that were at the desk the first day they opened. Neither had ever set foot in a poker room before that night. One of them told me he had a week long crash course on how a poker room works. They have both played before in home games but that's about it. So yes I'd say they weren't very prepared. We shall see how it is in 6 months.

Last edited by jh12547; 01-06-2016 at 06:51 AM.
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01-06-2016 , 08:35 AM
dont even get me started how a new floor yesterday was trying to attempt to work a must-move table lmao...she made it sooo difficult when it is very easy

they should be required to go to FW in plain clothes and watch the floors there lol
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01-06-2016 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by jh12547
I know a couple of the supervisors that were at the desk the first day they opened. Neither had ever set foot in a poker room before that night. One of them told me he had a week long crash course on how a poker room works. They have both played before in home games but that's about it. So yes I'd say they weren't very prepared. We shall see how it is in 6 months.
This is embarrassing to read. You would have expected that the supervisors to have spent time at both of the CT rooms prior to this opening if they didn't have poker room experience either on their own if their superiors didn't have them on the clock doing so which really is what any paid training program should have included.

Did the powers in charge not expect a room in a location such as this to attract a huge crowd?
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01-07-2016 , 05:10 AM
I played there on Tuesday. This is what I saw:

People playing hilariously awfully.

A dealer who ignored repeated requests for the clock to be called when a player was tanking for probably 2 minutes. The clock was requested 3 times. The dealer didn't acknowledge or even look at the guy who called the clock. If she didn't know what it meant, she should have asked. Not knowing this is unacceptable.

Floor doesn't seem to have any idea what's going on.

Most dealers are slow. Almost all seem to mean well and try their best. Some don't understand how side pots work, or what the IWTSTH rule is.

If there is a bet and a shove, the betting remains open regardless of the size of the shove, as long as it is bigger than the original bet. I saw a player bet $70, another move all-in for $76, a call of the $76, and the original bettor was permitted to reraise. I've never seen this anywhere else.

I think it'll be decent once the kinks are worked out. It kind of sucks now.
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01-07-2016 , 08:25 AM
from what I was told...you CANNOT call clock on someone at TR
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01-07-2016 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bmoney
from what I was told...you CANNOT call clock on someone at TR

It was eventually done and the floor did come and do it. If the clock simply cannot be called, the dealer should still clarify this instead of playing with her hair and deadpanning at the board.
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01-07-2016 , 09:19 AM
agreed.

Im ok with new dealers...IM ok with them learning on the job...but what is inexcusable

is each floor has a different answer to every question...they all need to be on the same page
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01-07-2016 , 11:53 AM
dont call clock in a cash game period.

am i wrong in thinking this
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