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Old 09-12-2021, 05:53 AM   #2026
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Re: Turning Stone Resort·Casino (Verona, NY)

I'm out of town visiting NY. Is this room worth playing in? The rake is incredibly high ($5 at $20 pot? lmao), you can only straddle from one position for 2BB (any position for any amount should be standardized), 100BB max in 1/2, and it's all OMCs/nits in the entire room. It seems almost impossible to win in this room given how poorly it's structured, how bad the rake is, and how tight the players are. It actually seems intentionally structured to appeal to tight old guys rather than degenerate action gamblers, which when compounded by the rake makes the prospect of actually winning an absurdity.
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Old 09-12-2021, 02:04 PM   #2027
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I'm out of town visiting NY. Is this room worth playing in? The rake is incredibly high ($5 at $20 pot? lmao), you can only straddle from one position for 2BB (any position for any amount should be standardized), 100BB max in 1/2, and it's all OMCs/nits in the entire room. It seems almost impossible to win in this room given how poorly it's structured, how bad the rake is, and how tight the players are. It actually seems intentionally structured to appeal to tight old guys rather than degenerate action gamblers, which when compounded by the rake makes the prospect of actually winning an absurdity.
Just to be clear, the rake taken at 20 is 3 dollars the other 2 are promotional dollars. We take 10% of the first 50 plus a 2 dollar promo ($7.00 max) which may be the lowest in the State and is well within industry standard. We get between 15 and 27 games on weekends as we also have very strong promos and in fact are giving away $25K today.
Im just curious, if you know so much about the room why are you asking about it?. Seems you think you already have all the info.
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Old 09-12-2021, 02:31 PM   #2028
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Re: Turning Stone Resort·Casino (Verona, NY)

Why is $3 taken on $20 if its 10%?
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Old 09-12-2021, 04:07 PM   #2029
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Why is $3 taken on $20 if its 10%?
Apologies, the first dollar is taken at the flop and then the percentage take kicks in. The 10% of $50 is the final total $5 rake I referred to. The other $2 to reach the $7 total is promotional collection.

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Old 09-12-2021, 05:34 PM   #2030
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Promotional dollars may as well be rake though. How am I to know all of that money goes back to players?
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Old 09-12-2021, 05:51 PM   #2031
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Promotional dollars may as well be rake though. How am I to know all of that money goes back to players?
Hi Ohrami! The promo money and rake are kept and tracked separately. Not only does all the promo fund money go back to the guests in promos and BBJ, Turning Stone also contributes to the promo fund...25% of the spend is replaced back into the fund by TS outside of the money we collect from the tables! If you'd like to call me direct to discuss in more detail, that would be great. Office number is 315 361 7629. I am off on Mon and Tues , any other time, if no answer leave a message I will call you back. Thank you!

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Old 09-13-2021, 08:03 PM   #2032
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Re: Turning Stone Resort·Casino (Verona, NY)

Which begs to a further discuss of max buy-in limits.
I've seen BI limits for a 1-2 game as low as $60 max (The Bike, LA) to as much as $1000, or even uncapped (Beau Riv, GoldNuggLV). And everything in between. Often I see an out of towner come in and ask why the BI's are so absurdly high/low, and basically they get told "because that is what works here" in so many words.
Face it; the BI limits are what they are, because they work for the majority of the customer base that frequents the facility. In talking with a manager at The Bike about it, their philosophy on it is they don't want their regs to go busto in 30 minutes. Limited bankrolls, etc. And with 200 tables, they can spread a lot of different BI's. ANd if you've ever played the $60 max or the $120 max at The Bike, you know its loose, spewy, nutz and you can pull several racks off the table in a session. I've done it.
TS is a great casino and room, and they balance their customers needs with the product they want to present. The times that I've played there, the balance seems about right.
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Old 09-15-2021, 09:07 AM   #2033
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Which begs to a further discuss of max buy-in limits.
I've seen BI limits for a 1-2 game as low as $60 max (The Bike, LA) to as much as $1000, or even uncapped (Beau Riv, GoldNuggLV). And everything in between. Often I see an out of towner come in and ask why the BI's are so absurdly high/low, and basically they get told "because that is what works here" in so many words.
Face it; the BI limits are what they are, because they work for the majority of the customer base that frequents the facility. In talking with a manager at The Bike about it, their philosophy on it is they don't want their regs to go busto in 30 minutes. Limited bankrolls, etc. And with 200 tables, they can spread a lot of different BI's. ANd if you've ever played the $60 max or the $120 max at The Bike, you know its loose, spewy, nutz and you can pull several racks off the table in a session. I've done it.
TS is a great casino and room, and they balance their customers needs with the product they want to present. The times that I've played there, the balance seems about right.
Dave, thank you for your spot on comments and kind words about the room! Please stop by and say hello next time in!
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Old 09-15-2021, 03:39 PM   #2034
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Dave, thank you for your spot on comments and kind words about the room! Please stop by and say hello next time in!
Frankies the man!
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Old 09-15-2021, 05:16 PM   #2035
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Frankies the man!
My Man...you enjoying my home town??? lol Keep up the great work, you are ready for it now but you will have your own room in the future! Wait til Flyers season starts and the birds and Flyers are both at home on Sunday!!!
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Old 09-15-2021, 11:59 PM   #2036
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My Man...you enjoying my home town??? lol Keep up the great work, you are ready for it now but you will have your own room in the future! Wait til Flyers season starts and the birds and Flyers are both at home on Sunday!!!
Philly is great! I had awesome mentors all the way. I promise....I will be off on those sundays haha
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Old 09-17-2021, 10:26 PM   #2037
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Dave, thank you for your spot on comments and kind words about the room! Please stop by and say hello next time in!
Frankie- I hope to at some point. My wife's niece is attending SU and playing a sport. (I'll leave it at that. No details, she's a kid) We may come to watch. In which case I'll be sure to look you up.
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Old 09-18-2021, 02:04 PM   #2038
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Frankie- I hope to at some point. My wife's niece is attending SU and playing a sport. (I'll leave it at that. No details, she's a kid) We may come to watch. In which case I'll be sure to look you up.
Awesome, and best of luck to your niece in her athletic and academic endeavors at SU!!!
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Old 09-20-2021, 07:37 PM   #2039
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Re: Turning Stone Resort·Casino (Verona, NY)

Frankie, it's great to see you are bringing back major tournaments. I probably won't come out for the one in October, but I think you will get a really good turnout, which will hopefully lead to bringing back some of the bigger buy in events.

Also, it's nice to see that you made some much needed changes to the structure (300BB starting stack vs 600, antes starting in level 2).
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Old 09-22-2021, 11:17 AM   #2040
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Frankie, it's great to see you are bringing back major tournaments. I probably won't come out for the one in October, but I think you will get a really good turnout, which will hopefully lead to bringing back some of the bigger buy in events.

Also, it's nice to see that you made some much needed changes to the structure (300BB starting stack vs 600, antes starting in level 2).
Thanks Boss, sorry we will miss you in Oct!
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