I’m not alone. Pretty much every single person I talk to at the tables agree. In fact, I haven’t heard of a single person who opposes it.

Sucks that it’s only a few voices heard ... an overwhelming amount of people who play at TS aren’t on 2plus2, so their voice isn’t heard.

Frankie doesn't listen anyways.

A 200k guarantee isn't happening he's made it clear. So many people I talk to at the tables who used to go to TS don't even have the place on their radar anymore every since they started cutting the buy ins and guarantees for all of their events. There is no shortage of demand for a 1k 200k+gtd, but right now a ton of people don't even consider the place anymore.

"Frankie doesn't listen anyways."

I strongly disagree.

Just because you don't always get your way, doesn't mean he doesn't listen. And not only does he listen, he responds publicly on this forum, which is miles ahead of most other card rooms. One can't ask for a better on-line card room representative - his responsiveness is A+.

Evidence that he listens? The player pool that participates in the 50/100 FLH game Friday nights convinced TS to exclude them from the $2/hand promotions drop (and of course, the promotions themselves, such as high hands and bad beat jackpot). Such a change isn't made easily. Players requested it, Frank listened and now there's a very happy bunch that congregates there Friday nights into the wee hours.

To say that Frankie doesn't listen is a ridiculous statement.

He listens to us and responds 100% I agree

But actions speak pounder than words. Last 2 tourneys I played at TS I asked every single person at my table about smaller GTDs and everyone agreed they wanted the bigger ones back.

I just know TS can do it still and have no issues.

Hello to all, I 100% believe that everyone at the tournament table wanted a higher Guarantee, I also believe 100% that everyone in the room wanted a higher Guarantee I completely believe that everyone spoken to and asked wanted a Higher Guarantee.! When we hear that the majority of those guests are also willing and interested in paying a larger price point of $1100, then we will rethink our tournament schedule and Guarantees.

I firmly believe and know that there is a market for a higher priced events, there was no bigger proponet of high priced events than myself when the market supported it. However we will not shut out the majority of our guests who support our events every month. That's not fluff Boss, you can look back on all my posts and the response has always been the same...Its about what the majority of our guests want and enjoy and most did not like being shut out of events due to price point.

As far as not listening goes, I totally disagree. I listen to everyone all day long. In fact, today, I have 105 guests playing in the first Flight of our June $50K Guarantee and have interacted with most at some point along the way by walking the room. As of 5:15pm not one has asked for a $500, $700 or $1100 buy-in. They kind of like our monthly $50K and /or $75k Guarantees for $250 and $300 respectively and our 2 $100K guarantees in November and August rounds out the schedule nicely.

Everyone is having a great time here at TS today, hope to see you all down here this weekend to enjoy it with us!!!

Frankie,

I’m saying leave the buyin at $250 and make it a 100k

You’ll get the numbers. You don’t overlay.

And the $570 try making it a 150k

anyways I am headed up now to play

I’ll never understand why people get so crazy over what the guarantee is. It’s more variance in a nutshell. Sure you win more money if you win..... but good luck you win less often.

I still think the 25 chips need to be eliminated from tournaments. No need. Start at 100-100 and next level is 100-100 (100bb ante). I played yesterday and found it super obnoxious when people are betting 650/675 when an even number works and it slows down the dealer which in turn leads to less hands.

I think 570s should occur more often. At least 4 times a year. I can see how a 1k isn’t in high demand in upstate ny however I feel 500s should occur once in a while as more major events compared to the 250s. I still think 2 day 250s is meh but whatever. If I make day 2 I have to drive an hr two days bc I’m not going to stay in Verona. Again I would rather there be an mtt festival with 1 day events and not 2 day events where the structure is ok but not amazing. Save the 2 day events for 1ks I feel.

I like what turning stone offers no doubt however I think 1 day events are much more attractive in comparison to a 2 day event where people have to travel or book a weekend at turning stone.

I know times change but I really liked the mtt schedule turning stone offered back in the day (ala 2009-2011) where they offered multiple 1 day events for mtt festivals. I know poker demand is nothing what it used to be like but I think turning stone should throw out a trial for a weekend of 1 day events and see what happens. Also can we get an mtt with a great structure. I remember when the November series was a superstack. Why not go 30-40k starting stacks with a level or 2 taken out or just keep it the same. My ideal structure would be 30k with the same existing structure. Even if you just offered this type of event 1-2 times a year, I think it would be nice.

Agree with above and the demand for a GTD brings bigger fields in.

The 50k just hit over 80k

If it was a 100, it would prob be 115-130


Also Frankie PLEASE have Tom or whoever make the payouts on the screen go slow on the left, and fast on the right.

It’s beyond pointless to have the bravo clock display payouts the same speed on both sides on the same screen. I’ve asked this a year ago and basically was told “too bad”

Seems very strange everywhere but TS utilizes this. Also, 10 away for. The $, and the players eliminated isn’t being updated at all... multiple complaints about this. Tom doesn’t seem to care at all.

Do they serve booze at Turning Stone? If so, are drinks complimentary?

I don’t remember if you have to pay or not.

But they do have alcohol.

They serve booze but it’s not comp. Beers in the poker room are like $3.

Frankie, any chance you can say if there will be 500s in August and November?

Using 30k more as a mid line, upping the guarantee to 100k would have to bring in 120 more people at the $250 price point. Do you really think the difference in guarantee is keeping 120 people/buyins from coming? I'm curious as to the thoughts behind it.

Personally for me, I think more would show up if it was a freezeout rather than all the multiple entries. When I play a $250, I'm only going to have one bullet to play. Having someone with deep pockets being able to run over me just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

If I was Frankie, I would hate to be on the hook for overlay if that fell short.

For me, making a 2 hour drive and planning an entire weekend just to bust in the first couple levels leaves a bad taste in my mouth. A $250 price point is essentially microstakes in the live arena. Leave the freezeouts for the big buyins and main events.

Yes I do think that’s. Because people see the big guarantee and they think, oh I can win 25-30k

Rather than... may just be 10-15k

Guarantees is what drives people to go to tourneys (unless you live in a ridiculously busy area and word of mouth is always a massive turnout I.E. Parx)

I don’t remember a time TS overlayed. Seriously , it just doesn’t happen. And this is taking to account 100-250k gtds.

So yes I think having bigger guarantees will result in bigger fields.

Thanks for the reply, I was just curious as to your reasoning.

One thing I think should happen at tstone. Why not offer a 550 for ever 250 series where you have 2 weekends of mtts and not just 1? The 550s always hit the guarantee and I’m sure it’s great for cash game action. Not sure why 550s aren’t offered more. 250s are great but 550s actually offer some money for the final table with less variance due to smaller fields.

Also anyway we can throw in a 1100 with maybe a 150k or 200k gtn? Rivers has a 1100 coming up in September. It would be nice to see a 1100 at tstone in my opinion for a series or 2 each year. I know the demand is prolly lower for these higher buy ins but would be cool to seen them offered even if the gtn is a little lower. I would be fine with a 100k gtn 1100. I’m sure it would easilydraw 150 players minimum if the structure was halfway solid for that buy in level.

Looking forward to the August mtts... especially the 570 100k gtn.

Are you new to the area /turning Stone? Not trying to be sarcastic or anything, genuinely curious. Because up until a few years ago they were doing basically everything you are asking for... And that what a lot of the uproar is about and why people outside of the immediate area have forgotten about the place. They used to run several 570s a year and an 1100 250k every August but Frankie has gotten rid of almost all of them in favor of monthly 250s.

Well, we still have our $100K Guarantees in November and August and we have added 4 additional monthly $250K Guarantees through the year for a total of 10 Monthly $250K's Last time I looked, we still offered more events than any properties in NY and surrounding areas so I don't see us shortchanging anyone.
Boss, the key words in your post were "a few years ago". a few years ago people would travel from all over the outlying states for events. Now that there are more poker rooms in NY and in those outlying states, data tells us ( along with points Ive made in the past about rooms, staffing etc...) travel is down as potential players simply have to wait for an event to be held in their area instead of traveling and paying for rooms. They can stay in their own homes especially in between day for multiple day events
I have expressed it dozens of times, instead of rehashing all these hypothetical scenarios. conspiracy reasons and what used to be's that are posted, please call me direct. I will be happy to explain why we run our schedule as we do. For the record, no one has ever called me to discuss as of yet...315 361 7629. Hope to hear from you and see you here in August. Thanks!

When you say 250k, it’s misleading as it’s not a single 250k gtd which you guys did at one point run

Frankie can you just try for a 200k gtd tourney again and see how it does?
My casino nearby rivers has the wpt coming in August and has an actual series for 2 weeks. And this casino is ridiculously small compared to TS.

People will go to you if you make it worth while... rivers sucks compared to TS

Has TS ever not hit a guarantee?

As far as I can remember , and I’ve played in tourneys there since 2009... maybe once?

That’s why I still disagree with the lowering / getting rid of 100k+ tourneys.

Hi guys, does anyone know if you get a discounted hotel rate for playing a bullet or two in the $250 event next weekend? As well as a bit of cash play? Just wondering the criteria.

Also, I see for the $250 event you can actually just buy-in as a new player on day two. You don't see that very often.... 20k stack, I wonder what the blinds would be at that point on Sunday morning... ?

Thanks!

Read the structure sheet. Day 2 you would start with 6.67 bbs. 20k at 1.5k/3k.

Thanks! Buying in for less than 7 bigs is too degen, even for me. Ha

I did notice that the people who want to buy-in on the sunday start one hour before everyone else (10am). Maybe they play an hour of a lower blind level to allow themselves to run up a bit of a stack before 1.5k / 3k at 11am with everyone else.