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01-15-2017 , 03:34 AM
Understood, thanks for reading and responding to all the feedback and requests. Some poker room directors tend to just ignore the issues or feedback that go against what they want to do.
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01-15-2017 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mdl_player
Understood, thanks for reading and responding to all the feedback and requests. Some poker room directors tend to just ignore the issues or feedback that go against what they want to do.
Thanks Mdl, I have always been of the belief that a poker room belongs to the players...without all of you, we don't exist. Because of that, we will always listen to the requests/input of our guests and be as accommodating as possible!!!
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01-15-2017 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankie518
Ladies/Gentlemen, I appreciate all the time spent posting and everything written is well thought out. As a staff, we are aware and keep track of events going on at other venues, all poker rooms do!!! Please keep in mind that what works in one area may not/does not work in another. A one day Guarantee event in Central NY can be crushed with one hour of Lake effect snow or an ice storm like we had last week. I can appreciate that everyone likes to share the particulars events that they prefer, but as a poker entity, we need to appeal to what works best for this area along with what the majority of our guests have expressed they prefer and enjoy. Not saying we wont try to accommodate some of the thoughts expressed here because we have been and always will try to be accommodating. Just saying that it will probably take place over our yearly schedule if possible. Thanks to all!!!
Can't you slap a warning on the tourny promo sheet stating the guarantee can be modified and adjusted if there is inclement weather? ( which is what I've seen on the past two bigger guarantee event promo sheets)
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01-15-2017 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Can't you slap a warning on the tourny promo sheet stating the guarantee can be modified and adjusted if there is inclement weather? ( which is what I've seen on the past two bigger guarantee event promo sheets)
They do this for all events I've seen, and I think it's pretty standard for all poker rooms to have a disclaimer like this. But it'd look pretty bad on the casino's part to cancel some random one day event due to an hour of lake effect snow as Frankie said.

Maybe it's just a risk you have to take though with running such an event and if there does happen to be overlay, then it's great publicity.
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01-16-2017 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Can't you slap a warning on the tourny promo sheet stating the guarantee can be modified and adjusted if there is inclement weather? ( which is what I've seen on the past two bigger guarantee event promo sheets)
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Originally Posted by zoogenhiem
They do this for all events I've seen, and I think it's pretty standard for all poker rooms to have a disclaimer like this. But it'd look pretty bad on the casino's part to cancel some random one day event due to an hour of lake effect snow as Frankie said.

Maybe it's just a risk you have to take though with running such an event and if there does happen to be overlay, then it's great publicity.
There was a lot more to my post than just the snow statement lol, that was just a small example.. My point was we look at what works best for our guests overall and what they are comfortable with. And again im not saying we wont do it at some point, it just takes some time to adjust schedules! Thanks!!!
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01-16-2017 , 02:30 PM
Could do what parx is doing for a Summer Series. Honestly they are by far the best ran poker tournaments on the east coast and have immense value.
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01-16-2017 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jonrubs
Could do what parx is doing for a Summer Series. Honestly they are by far the best ran poker tournaments on the east coast and have immense value.
Thanks Jon, like I said we are looking to make some adjustments. Currently we hold 14 large events a year($50K Guarantee and up) so part of our problem is finding the space and time to hold any new events. When we attempt to change an existing event we catch a lot of negative feedback from our guests who like the current schedule as is. Its a balance we try to meet as we move forward!
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01-16-2017 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankie518
Thanks Jon, like I said we are looking to make some adjustments. Currently we hold 14 large events a year($50K Guarantee and up) so part of our problem is finding the space and time to hold any new events. When we attempt to change an existing event we catch a lot of negative feedback from our guests who like the current schedule as is. Its a balance we try to meet as we move forward!
Hey Frankie, hope all is well. Haven't been on in a while and saw the discussion going on and wanted to just insert: You may benefit from holding less of those "large events." Maybe have 8/yr or something and put bigger guarantees on them. Parx's events are fun and draw huge crowds. Granted, they get more from the south as well and I understand that.

I think though you guys can be a big competitor still in those big events. Hold a couple of huge guarantee's and watch everyone come in. The 50k's, and having so many, while I get supplement the rec players, fail to bring in the bigger players whom actually have a voice in the poker community. So I think you need to lower the 50ks amount and add bigger guarantees. Just my typical 2 cents.
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01-16-2017 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mascot
Hey Frankie, hope all is well. Haven't been on in a while and saw the discussion going on and wanted to just insert: You may benefit from holding less of those "large events." Maybe have 8/yr or something and put bigger guarantees on them. Parx's events are fun and draw huge crowds. Granted, they get more from the south as well and I understand that.

I think though you guys can be a big competitor still in those big events. Hold a couple of huge guarantee's and watch everyone come in. The 50k's, and having so many, while I get supplement the rec players, fail to bring in the bigger players whom actually have a voice in the poker community. So I think you need to lower the 50ks amount and add bigger guarantees. Just my typical 2 cents.
A lot of the current crushes who are say 25-30 all use to play at turningstone and I am sure would love a summer series with big guarantees so they can relive the nostalgia, play some poker, and play some golf at a super sick course while on a nice resort.

I love turningstone, but there hasnt been a reason for me to make the drive in a long time.
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01-16-2017 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mascot
Hey Frankie, hope all is well. Haven't been on in a while and saw the discussion going on and wanted to just insert: You may benefit from holding less of those "large events." Maybe have 8/yr or something and put bigger guarantees on them. Parx's events are fun and draw huge crowds. Granted, they get more from the south as well and I understand that.

I think though you guys can be a big competitor still in those big events. Hold a couple of huge guarantee's and watch everyone come in. The 50k's, and having so many, while I get supplement the rec players, fail to bring in the bigger players whom actually have a voice in the poker community. So I think you need to lower the 50ks amount and add bigger guarantees. Just my typical 2 cents.
Thanks mascot, this whole conversation started when I was asked to add MORE $50K events to the schedule as opposed to less as you suggested. As you can see it goes round and round and everyone has their own niche!
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01-16-2017 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jonrubs
A lot of the current crushes who are say 25-30 all use to play at turningstone and I am sure would love a summer series with big guarantees so they can relive the nostalgia, play some poker, and play some golf at a super sick course while on a nice resort.

I love turningstone, but there hasnt been a reason for me to make the drive in a long time.
How about our $350K Guarantee we have in August?
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01-16-2017 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankie518
How about our $350K Guarantee we have in August?
That event in and by itself wouldnt attract big names. That + maybe a few more larger guarantee events to create an attractive series would.
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01-16-2017 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jonrubs
That event in and by itself wouldnt attract big names. That + maybe a few more larger guarantee events to create an attractive series would.
There in lies one of the rubs, in order to go bigger then obviously its multi day, if its multi day then we have an issue as to where to put guests for overnight stays. Other than the available rooms we have on property, that also are used by resort business, there are not 6 or 7 other hotels nearby to accommodate the number of guests we would have. Just as an aside, in 2015 we had 3 November Niner's on property for the August event and last year several other pro players along with about 800 guests between the events. That guarantee ended up being over $450K. Not trying to drag this out or sound like I don't appreciate the suggestions or support because I really do. From the outside, I'm sure it looks like we just set a Guarantee number, create a structure and hold an event. I wish it were that easy but there are so many outside factors, variables and processes that go into events both big and small that determine availability and feasibility. That being said, rest assured that we will always do our best to accommodate our guests, you have my word on that!
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01-16-2017 , 09:13 PM
I remember when I turend 18 in 2007 and went to TS for 3-5 series a year. They had lots of one-day events, but those were the days when a 5k starting stack with 40 minute levels with a structure that never missed a single increment in levels were considered good. You also had like 200 runners in every tourney for 5-10 days (5-8 events) and the August tourneys got 300-500. Nowadays tho I think a 5k starting stack and 40 min levels is frowned upon far too much and people would rather play 20k starting with 20 min levels or whatever. I haven't been to TS since '09 but I know in LA that's definitely the case with regards to starting stacks being preferred over longer levels. Shame.
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01-16-2017 , 09:15 PM
My two cents..

I really would like to see more 1k events throughout the year.. not a ton.. but more then the one you currently run.

I'm not sure that TS is the right place for huge guarantees anymore as others are suggesting. I'd love to see it but times have changed and I don't know if they would get the support.

But I don't see why there is only one 1k event. Seneca runs three 1k 200k gtd tourneys throughout the year and always go well over the guarantee. No reason TS can't do the same.
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01-16-2017 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Boss716
My two cents..

I really would like to see more 1k events throughout the year.. not a ton.. but more then the one you currently run.

I'm not sure that TS is the right place for huge guarantees anymore as others are suggesting. I'd love to see it but times have changed and I don't know if they would get the support.

But I don't see why there is only one 1k event. Seneca runs three 1k 200k gtd tourneys throughout the year and always go well over the guarantee. No reason TS can't do the same.
Pretty much this. I'm at the point in life where I'm never going to drive out to TS for a $250, will occasionally for a $570 if I have nothing better to do, but would plan around a $1k. It's good that TS has found their niche and created a set of tournaments that seem to draw well for them, but it's unfortunate for me that none of them meet my needs. Shrug.

Also-the earlier discussion around playing to the money on day 1s-get rid of pointless early levels. 25/50 remains super dumb when given 20k or 30k.
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01-21-2017 , 04:13 PM
any main events in February?
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01-21-2017 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GotADream
any main events in February?
Hi G, we have no main events scheduled in February...again weather is always too iffy...we are going to have several Cash promotions(see website and Bravo). also we will be holding Qualifiers for our Annual March Mania Guaranteed event. Stay tuned to the website and Bravo for details. hope to see you here!
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01-21-2017 , 04:28 PM
Thanks, I will be looking forward to the March mania series.
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01-22-2017 , 01:31 PM
These deepstack turbos were the tits back in the day.

Until some ******* decided to snitch on me for drinking when I was 20 and had >150K at 300/600 level
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01-26-2017 , 11:21 AM
looooooool gg
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01-26-2017 , 04:40 PM
it mightve been 300K, but mike(nogimmicks) told me last year or 2 years ago that to this day he has not seen a stack like that that early in the tournament.
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01-27-2017 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jonrubs
it mightve been 300K, but mike(nogimmicks) told me last year or 2 years ago that to this day he has not seen a stack like that that early in the tournament.
someone turned you in mid tournament and you had to forfeit your stack? was it a fellow casino patron?
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01-27-2017 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jonrubs
it mightve been 300K, but mike(nogimmicks) told me last year or 2 years ago that to this day he has not seen a stack like that that early in the tournament.
I hear that Mike says that to all the boys.
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01-27-2017 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by zoogenhiem
someone turned you in mid tournament and you had to forfeit your stack? was it a fellow casino patron?
Ya it was a fellow casino patron at my table.
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