As far as it won't go over. It did not. The people saying they did not know were probably honest. And third if there was extra over the rake it would of went to the players if they got 2001. The poker card has been in existence before I started playing. You have no argument here. You only have an option do not play in the room. But I will say one thing if you think a poker room is going to fill a room with tournaments and not make money your not thinking straight. I am not arguing with anyone but they are running a buisness and just like many other places they are there to make a profit and put fourth a good product. Maybe we could of been informed a little more, but we also played. You were not lied to you just did not get the answer you wanted. And as far as a 5 dollar rake lol whoever thought that was the case must be crazy. They could not even open live games because
They could not hold the event I'm another room nothing was available

I understand that they needed to make a profit. But 50% rake is absurd if that is true. Also, how can you say they did not lie when I received 3 different and conflicting answers to the same question?

You asked 3 questions.
1 they would not get enough players obv person knew they needed 2k not a lie. 2 people might not of known not a lie just not informed. 3 if they went of 2k players it would probably went in prize pool so again not a lie. I am friends with these guys they are stand up. I am not here to argue just telling you facts. People posted false stuff on here makes the place look like they did something. They are honest and care about players trust me. Could this get better yes. And I was there last night and people liked it were talking about it on a 1/2 game.

Is my estimate correct ? (if not....what was the ACTUAL rake ?)

$1,505 entries x $50 = $75,250 Total money paid by players

$1,505 entries x $5 = $7,525 Dealer/Staff fee withheld from prize pool - 10%

$75,250
($7,525)
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$67,725 Expected Prize Pool for standard tourney
($50,000) actual prize pool
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$17,725 Excess funds not paid to players - kept by house
$7,525 Add in the 10% Dealer/Staff fee already w/held
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$25,250 RAKE - 33%

PLUS:

Thursday Unique Entries x $2ea = ????
Friday Unique Entries x $2ea = ????
Saturday Unique Entries x $2ea = ????

Sunday Remaining # players x $2ea = ????

= Total Rake

Yes you are correct when you look at those calculations. Oh wait, you have to buy a poker card everyday for 14 years. So that is not even an argument. Oh wait the poker room closed live games and did not open live games to hold a tournament for 4 days and you think 17k is to much to make. You guys need to get a clue. A big clue. It is a business guys they are not there to run 5 dollar vig 50k tournaments. You saw the games on Sat they had 100 people on the list that's 12 or 13 games that could not open for hours. Of course they are going to take a decent vig, people are trying to dissect it all different ways on here. 4 day tournament to make a profit is business ladies and gentlemen. AND THE WHOLE REASON FOR MY POST WAS NO 1 LIED and THE RAKE WAS NOT 5 BUCKS. I could care less about everything else. See you guy's on the felt

TS has long since jumped the shark on the high rake tourney train. I am local-ish, and a couple of years ago ceased driving out for anything they ran that had a buyin of 300 or less, then a little bit later ceased attending their 500s (which are currently 475+60+25+2, which afaik is the highest rake on a 500 tourney that exists). The only tourney I will attend this year at TS is the main event in August.

It will be interesting to see Memorial Day weekend the difference in turnout for the 550 at Seneca and the 562 at TS. The TS rake is almost $20 higher (the aforementioned 475+60+25+2 vs 482.5+50+17.5 at Seneca) but the guarantee on the prize pool at TS will probably result in a very small field at Seneca.

Someday someone will have to explain why this is, and/or why it's a regulatory concern, when this does not occur at any other poker room (that I know of) in New York.

+1 - explanation would be appreciated.

Back when they opened the state regulated it. The state said you "have to be part of a club" to play poker. Hence the poker club card.

The better explaination would be "why do they sill use it?" The answer: why not? People are still buying them, why stop something that's making them money?

Additional competition should take care of the players club card, and the excessive tourney rake here.

You would think that, but it doesn't seem so. There just isn't near enough competition.

bids have already been placed by the major gaming companies to put casinos in new york most of them going to be albany and south towards NYC

For sure if the bids are successful new casinos in Albany and south, this will affect Turning stone. But I wonder how much. I for example would not make a weekly trip of 1.5 to 1.75 hours to drive from Albany to Verona. I could be wrong, but I suspect it is only a small percentage of Turning Stones Poker Room customers that do not come from the central NY or Finger lakes regions.

If a decent poker room was built off of 81 around Syracuse or (maybe) around Binghamton or one was built on 90 between Syracuse and Rochester, then I think Turning stone poker would have serious competition. Otherwise I think we will be stuck with status quo.

They have already lost all the Southern Tier (Binghamton) folks to the Pocono rooms. I can't think of the last time I played with someone from down there.

Losing the Albany population is a given regardless of where the new rooms open (Saratoga, Woodbury, Monticello, etc.) and is going to make a real dent in business (20%?). But I don't think they can even try to compete for those folks. Nobody is regularly driving 2 hours when a casino is less than an hour away.

In my mind, the only game changer is if the proposed site between Syracuse and Rochester off of the Thursday is approved. Then TS has a huge threat to its core business and will have to compete aggressively.

A casino in Springfield, Mass also adds to the competition.

Thanks for the info on proposed new NY Casino sites. I currently reside in Michigan, but routinely visit my mother in East Syracuse. (I was born in Albany and later moved to do high school in Syracuse.) I shall retire in the next couple of years and plan to move back to New York (or so my wife currently says we will). Hence info on New York Casino development interests me. Is there a thread for this?

I'll be in Ithaca over Memorial Day weekend for a friends wedding. May have some time on Friday and/or Sunday to stop by turningstone. How many 1-2nl and 2-5nls run on weekends? What are the buyins?

Is there any possible way to get an ofc game going? Just figured it would be worth asking although I'm sure the answer is no.

Im sure youre right and its not happening but my friends and I would def make the trip up if it could possibly go

I don't know about Turning stone, but many casinos are "licensed" to only only offer certain poker games. Thus I would not be surprised if they legally could not even offer OFC. But I don't what the "regulations" are for T.S. Maybe someone could find out. I never quite understand how various states regulate Indian gaming or even if they can. The regulations would be in the State-Tribal gaming compact for Turning Stone.

I still have not found it yet but acording to the NYS Gaming Commision:

Thus I am certain in the compact it is specified which poker games (and limits) are allowed.

I know its probably a no-go. But there's an off chance they have chinese poker in their list of approved games. And somehow someone got them to throw together an ofc rule guide and get it licensed. Doubtful, but can't hurt to ask...

You could just call them and ask. 800-386-5366

Do my own investigation? That's preposterous! Whole point of 2p2 is to lazily ask questions so others can find out answers for me.

Then the answer is "sure, they will spread it for you on request and not even charge rake." Because some random guy on the interwebs said that is how it is. In reality, I have never heard of them offering ofc there.

As for your original questions, 1/2 is $50-200, 2/5 is $200-500. Usually about 10 tables of 1/2 running on Friday night and 2 or 3 2/5 tables. Fewer tables of both on most Sundays but the holiday may make it busier than usual.

They definately do not spread ofc or any type of draw games. Only holdem, omaha/omaha8 and stud/stud8 are allowed to be spread per their gaming compact. They wouldn't even spread razz for us one time when we requested to add it to a mixed game.

what is the 2/5 game here like relative to the 1/2 game? and what is 2/5 skill level relative to other 2/5 games at AC or Foxwoods or florida or something