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The $800 sounds weird at first, but you get used to it and it's also pretty convenient in that it fits in one rack with a good mix of green and red, and the 160bb is a good balance of skilled play, protecting weaker players and avoiding the mental hangup some people would have about losing $1K all at once.

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03-20-2015 , 11:52 AM

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tmac&cheese

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Originally Posted by AALegend

Making 2-5, 600 max is a really bad idea. The whales you referred to in the prev post like to buy-in for 1,000. Otherwise, the game is not as interesting to them.

This simply is NOT true... the whales play 5-10; a lot of the sharks need to see the forest through the trees. Would you rather have 4 or 5 two fives at the cap i described or one at what you're proposing that dies around one AM?

The 800 cap is a pretty solid idea as well... But you have to be able to get the medium fish in the game and the 1000 cap does NOT allow that.

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03-20-2015 , 02:03 PM

#503

cuserounder

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Originally Posted by tmac&cheese

The 800 cap is a pretty solid idea as well... But you have to be able to get the medium fish in the game and the 1000 cap does NOT allow that.

Having 1/2 and 1/3 does more to keep medium fish out of the 2/5, in my opinion. Combining those into a 1/3 with a 300 cap would move a good percentage of medium fish to 2/5. But, the 1K cap also hurts a little.

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03-21-2015 , 05:57 AM

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ibelieveyouoweme$80k

LLSNL FF Champ '13

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,868

Bad beat starts at 6 a.m.

$50K. Quad 6s.

BBJ apparently hit AGAIN at Parx Friday

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03-21-2015 , 01:14 PM

#505

FromACtoLV

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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly

Bad beat starts at 6 a.m.

$50K. Quad 6s.

BBJ apparently hit AGAIN at Parx Friday

This leads to a bunch of questions...

I assume they are now dropping 5+1?

Is the high hand promo still on?

If the high hand is still on, is it still house funded or does it come out of the BBJ money?

Are tournaments still high hand eligible? (I assume if house funded yes, if BBJ funded, no.)

This may be a ridiculous idea, but I just thought of it... What would people think of adding $2 or $3 to the tourney buy in to go to the BBJ and make tournaments bad beat and high hand eligible? I'm not even sure I like the idea, but it's just a thought.

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03-21-2015 , 05:54 PM

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JBlaze

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 501

Anyone know anything about the giant inflatable rat outside sugarhouse? Some type of protest but I couldn't make out what the sign said.

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03-21-2015 , 10:03 PM

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cAmmAndo

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Originally Posted by JoeyBlaze

Anyone know anything about the giant inflatable rat outside sugarhouse? Some type of protest but I couldn't make out what the sign said.

Usually that's union picketing or something. Prob something to do with non-union construction crews or something. That completely a guess on my part.

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03-21-2015 , 11:33 PM

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knircky

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Originally Posted by AALegend

Making 2-5, 600 max is a really bad idea. The whales you referred to in the prev post like to buy-in for 1,000. Otherwise, the game is not as interesting to them.

I disagree. You can see that rooms with healthy bigger games tend protect the bigger games.

Ie borgata, belagio, M live, commerce etc.

They have great bigger games and limit their smaller games buy in.

Pros like bigger buy ins but it's bad for the ecology of the game. If u want a healthy game do what's good for the fish and don't worry about the pros.

Pros will come when u have a good game.

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03-22-2015 , 03:12 PM

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MiRee446

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I was playing very late Friday at a 1-2 game. I was in a multi way pot and was facing a bet on the turn. I asked the dealer if he could spread the pot and he refused. I was really drunk so started arguing with him. The floor was called over and they sided with the dealer saying it's a house rule at Sugar house that they don't spread the pot. I thought this was completely absurd. This seems like a completely reasonable thing for a dealer to do for a player considering we tip the dealers every hand. Is this a standard rule in other casinos?

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03-22-2015 , 03:35 PM

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Jeffage

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This stuff is a waste of time and I don't blame them for not allowing it. Part of playing poker is paying attention and knowing what's in the pot, something often easier to do sober in my experience.

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03-22-2015 , 03:35 PM

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PhillyEagles9

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It seems perfectly reasonable, seeing as how pot size influences so much in terms of how ud play

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03-22-2015 , 04:30 PM

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Coasterbrad

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Plenty of rooms don't allow dealers to spread the pot. Yes, keeping track of the pot is part of the game but also the less the dealer touches the chips the better. Casinos want to limit the possibility of a dishonest dealer skimming chips off the table.

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03-22-2015 , 04:47 PM

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MiRee446

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Originally Posted by Jeffage

This stuff is a waste of time and I don't blame them for not allowing it. Part of playing poker is paying attention and knowing what's in the pot, something often easier to do sober in my experience.

I wasn't asking him to neatly stack the pot into separate stacks based on denominations I was asking for him to make a single motion with his hand across the chips. Doesn't seem too time intensive in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Coasterbrad

Plenty of rooms don't allow dealers to spread the pot. Yes, keeping track of the pot is art of the game but also the less the dealer touches the chips the better. Casinos want to limit the possibility of a dishonest dealer skimming chips off the table.

This is the only counter argument that makes sense to me.

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03-22-2015 , 06:09 PM

#514

AALegend

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I actually think dealers should not be allowed to spread the pot in other casinos as well, as accurately keeping track of the pot and other players' stacks is clearly part of the skill involved.

That seems kind of similar to asking the dealer who raised preflop, while the hand is going on, which the dealer is not allowed to answer anywhere.

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03-22-2015 , 07:34 PM

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Mattybangz

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I have asked the dealers at SH several times to spread the pot and they did so idk what the rule is. But there certainly are rooms where this is not allowed.

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03-22-2015 , 08:17 PM

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MiRee446

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Originally Posted by AALegend

Denying simple easy to comply with requests like spreading the pot are a great way to discourage fun players from playing.

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03-22-2015 , 09:33 PM

#517

zrap

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Originally Posted by MiRee446

Denying simple easy to comply with requests like spreading the pot are a great way to discourage fun players from playing.

Fun players aren't the ones asking for the pot the be spread. Fun players don't know what the heck spreading the pots even means.

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03-22-2015 , 09:49 PM

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TheTalkingMule

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Originally Posted by zrap

Fun players aren't the ones asking for the pot the be spread. Fun players don't know what the heck spreading the pots even means.

I would argue that ONLY fun players ask to have the pot spread. Pros know roughly how much is in a pot because they're following the play or can easily figure it out by backtracking.

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03-22-2015 , 09:56 PM

#519

MiRee446

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Originally Posted by TheTalkingMule

I would argue that ONLY fun players ask to have the pot spread. Pros know roughly how much is in a pot because they're following the play or can easily figure it out by backtracking.

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03-22-2015 , 10:10 PM

#520

Asterix811

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I'm against any rule that might discourage people from playing while drunk.

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03-22-2015 , 10:49 PM

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PhillyEagles9

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Lol at some of the condescending replys this kid got. So what it was a weekend night & he had a few. Big deal. I feel like it is completely reasonable to expect to have a view of what is in the pot, much like when you play online it tells you the pot at all times

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03-22-2015 , 10:57 PM

#522

Rapini

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Perceived condescension aside, I like the rule of no spreading the pot. As others have said, it's good to keep the dealers' hands out of the pot as much as possible and it's not like players are afforded no opportunity to keep track of the pot. Multitabling online is a lot different than playing live hands that take 30 seconds to multiple minutes when it comes to being able to keep a rough count of the pot in your head.

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03-22-2015 , 11:38 PM

#523

MiRee446

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Originally Posted by Rapini

I hear you on keeping the dealers hands out of the pot, but unless you're David Blaine it's not that easy to palm chips and get away with it with 9 people watching.

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03-23-2015 , 12:21 AM

#524

Rapini

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Originally Posted by MiRee446

I hear you on keeping the dealers hands out of the pot, but unless you're David Blaine it's not that easy to palm chips and get away with it with 9 people watching.

Who is actually keeping tabs on the dealer though? The guy watching a TV show on his iPad or the guy who isn't paying enough attention to know how much is in the pot? Perhaps you or I are paying attention, but I don't think we're in the majority.

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03-23-2015 , 01:25 AM

#525

MiRee446

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Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,720

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Originally Posted by PhillyEagles9

I thought there'd be at least a little more support on the pro pot spreaders side. Guess we're in the minority on this and I won't request this anymore.

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