This is awesome. I passed this on to my VP. We wouldn't be able to completely connect to the casino because of the fire lane but it would make it better. Thank-you, Raye

lilydog10 - Thank-you for the post. We're waiting for the state to approve. It shouldn't be much longer...Raye

Rapini - Thank-you for the post. We did get $10 chips. Should we get limit games or games that would prefer to use them they are available. It helps speed up 30 - 60 or 40 -80 games, dealers don't have to make change, etc. Just an amenity for the players. Raye

Raye,
I think that theory would hold only if you make $10 chips mandatory in those games. When I play 2-4 I always start with a rack of white chips (I always thought it would make sense to use the $2 chips in those games). But there are always many players who sit down at the 2-4 table with a stack of reds and every time they bet, the dealer has to make change. Using $10 chips makes sense in a 30-60 game but I suspect that won't stop most players from sitting down with a big stack of greens.

At Parx, 95% of people play the 30-60 and 40-80 using the $10 chips, and I don't believe they are mandatory. On rare occasion someone will insist on using the "wrong" chips (maybe they're planning to move to a NL game when a seat opens up), but in general people will get the right color whenever the chip cart comes by.

peach at parx and blue at borg are unofficially out of of play. you can use them, and table captain X will change them out to be used to pay time in the next time pot.

Raye,

Do comp dollars expire?

I didn't know that. I guess it's just the low limit players who don't mind holding up the game.

peach and blue are the $10 chips I take it? What color are they at SH?

I think it was blue. I didn't have them very long.

Aren't the $2 chips Harrah's uses for the rake blue? I would think they'd be uniform throughout PA.

Good to know, thanks.

I noticed some players using some signals to each other tonight. i only was able to the spot the "i have a good hand get out the way" signal. Some were terrible obvious considering how bad they were.

thing is - the game was great and the players in question were terrible, were both short stacks most of the time and were still just bleeding money.

So I approached the floor about it because i felt they should at least know. I was told i could change tables if i wanted and there really was nothing they could do about it since "its so hard for them to tell".

Is this standard practice? Because thats seems a little nuts to me. Unless of course its investigated in secret and the player is made unaware of the situation.

What's the rake at 1-2 and 2-5? Searched thread but didn't see anything.

pretty sure both are 10% with a $5 cap

How was this signaled?

so I am in 3 seat - signaler 1 (S1 here on out) was seat 4 and signaler 2 (S2) was seat 5.

They had a different system for each other, but S1's was easiest to spot right away - he simply would drop a chip or 2 (usually 1 dollar chips) as a "card protector".

At first i just assumed he was bad at telegraphing his folds but then i started paying attention to both of them.

The hand that really tipped me off to the signal was when S1 was UTG and made it 14 to go, his buddy himmed and hawed for longer than necessary while constantly glancing at his friends cards tip his friend finally dropped the chip protector on and he insta mucked.

In other situations, he would just come along and not protect his cards meaning he didn't have a strong hand but was in there and would turn his cards and not hold them in his hand.

his friends signal, S2, was a little more sophisticated since he was acting post S1. His "i have a hand" was to turn his cards 90 degrees and keep them a little in front and to the right of his chip stack. As opposed to other times when he'd have his hands all over his cards.

I wasn't able to decipher any other cues - and maybe it really did just end there.

But there were plenty of instances once i realized what was happening where both guys would be in the pot and S2's decisions would revolve constantly around his friends cards for the most part. Odd thing is you would think they wouldn't be sitting right next to each other and would at least try to maximize by putting some players between them.

I explained that last statement to myself simply by the fact that they were just terrible card players and potentially could just be starting out their signaling methods without really trying to mess with action until they were better at it - or they simply were too stupid to realize how to effectively utilize a team play.

I guess also, they were just simply trying to soft play each other and the signaling really did end at the "i have it" signal. I don't know enough techniques about signaling to find more, but these were rather obvious to me.

This is an alias account btw as i don't wish to out my normal account with this kind of ****, and i apologize if this casts any kind of doubt.

My real concern however is how does this usually get handled by the floor? (or how should it be handled?)

S1 eventually went broke and S2 took a long break as it seemed like S1 had no money left and just came back and picked up his stack.

Raye - I'm curious how Sugarhouse plans to handle **** like this?

Look im not trying to set off osme kind of "there's cheaters at sugarhouse!" it's not some home game, its a casino. not saying it doesnt happen, but i doubt the guys who would get good at it are dumb enough to really pull off anything monumental at a casino.

The issue i had most with was simply - how should i as the player handle the situation and how would folks expect the floor to respond // or maybe how SHOULD they respond?

Many years ago I learnt my card lesson. Accusing someone of cheating without proof is as bad as cheating itself. Guess they don't teach that anymore.

these days they focus a lot on reading comprehension.

also chipbandit

which stakes did this take place at? i know many of the players at sugarhouse and i also know many of the players who like to sit at the same table

Look folks - I had a decent discussion regarding situations like this with the floor last night, <removed>, and he put me at ease as far as how the floor and the room handles situations like this.

My main concern over all this was simply What does the floor do/ What SHOULD they be doing/ etc etc - my first take away wasn't a rather confident - hence the post.

Vandammm - i dont want to offer up information about personally who these players are because im not trying to "out" the signalers - they are terrible players regardless, but because of the nature of **** like this, its not my place to give descriptions etc. That said, if you're not an idiot, their signal game can easily be spotted and they probably will not last long doing it.

I have no idea who chipbandit is referring to. This is my last post on the matter. I brought it here because i thought we should be posting info like this to ensure satisfactory action from the room.

If i was certain these guys were good signalers and card players and were just milking the situation i would be more forthcoming, but as i said - they were not maximizing on their opportunities to make money via signalling, but only assisting their scared money plays. Unfair advantage, sure, but we see friends soft play each other all the time, they're just more overt about the friendly check it downs say at low limits for example. (not condoning this behavior, but lets be honest - we're not goin to prevent two recreational work buddies from soft playing each other if they decided to do so).

I had a guy at my table this weekend claim that people were colluding off of facial scratches and coughs. He said he told the floor and they said they couldn't do anything. He may have just been paranoid but if he's right what can you do? Boot players for scratching their nose or coughing? You just have to be observant and decide if they know what they're doing and table switch, or wait to stack them.

It's good that you didn't because it violates the privacy rules in this forum and I would've deleted it anyway. BTW I made a small edit to your post, removed the floorperson you spoke to. Again, names/descriptions not allowed.

Honestly, the room is so bad (in a good way) that if you're noticing these things, you're doing too much. Table change, don't cause a stir, and collect.

Or, now that these two are telling everyone their hands, keep playing and take their money.