So everyone limps for 5 then I can raise to 6? That's retodded.

In the 1/2/5 game it is increments of 5 can't make it 23. Don't listen to cardinal he is wrong.

typically, games with a bring-in have the pots rounded up to the nearest $5 increment. it basically makes a 1/2 plo game a red chip game. much easier for players and dealers to calculate pot size.

somebody limps for $5, your raise must be at least to $10

Let's try it this way.

1/2/5 NL Holdem plays exactly like 2/5 NL holdem but the blinds are only $1 and $2 not $2 and $5.

We have a winner!

I doubt there is 3 other people in this town that would want to play Chinese. I wouldn't because I have never played. And for these type of games, what kind of time charge/rake is needed? It's also technically not approved by the gaming commission. We could play crazy pineapple though, that's been approved...haha.

I'm thinking about going to Vegas in early Sept...probably my only chance for Triple Draw, Badugi, etc.

As far as O8 goes, I'll play...but I'm a sporadic live player, and River City is an hour away.

Does anyone on this forum other than me and Endo want to play a game other than Hold 'Em?

I play Omaha - I try to get out to River City when they run the 4/8 fixed limit omaha on friday and saturday nights..

I would probably play chinese, too

I would play chinese, assuming the rake/time charge wasn't total rape.

When I play Chinese, I like to play 2-7 in the middle. W/ $5 a point, the timed drop would be something like $8-10 every hour, I believe. My buddies and I played it at the venetian and they ran it for us. I would love to play a mixer of possible draw, O8, stud8, and some chinese, if anyone else is interested??? Maybe RC would do it for us.

Sorry Kenne, definitely not playing pineapple!

oh and how many posts do i need to get PM'ed? B/c if you guys are interested, PM me, (if i can accept em!)

If you guys want to play Chinese just deal it yourselves in a hotel room or meet up at someone's house. You're not going to get a game spread in any STL poker room.

Obviously we don't want to deal. Besides, a poker room will run anything, as they should, as long as it's raked. Do they not want to make money? It only makes sense. Besides there wouldn't be a BBJ, and thus, the rake timed or not, would be smaller. We only need 4 guys. Really only two, and the dealers don't have to do anything but deal out the entire deck. No floor calls. The game runs itself. Unless it's a misplayed hand in which it's the same as a surrender.

It would be good for the game/casino because players would see 2-4 guys playing and wonder what they were playing. They would see that the casino is running something different than Hold Em. @$5 a point, you'd be surprised how well you could do in a given night.

Any other opinions?

I completely understand your logic. I'm not in disagreement with many of your thoughts, but what I'm saying (because of my time around the STL poker rooms for over 10 years) is that the rooms in STL will not spread it.

And I can assure you that they aren't going to open a time raked game of Chinese for 2-4 people when they can open a 3/6 limit game and make more $$.

Good for you if you are able to accomplish what you want and get the games you want but unfortunately the STL poker scene just isn't interested in much other than NLH and minimal PLO. I personally don't have any desire to play Chinese but would love to play a wide variety of mixed games if they would ever run...but they don't.

Here's the thing though, they will make the same amount of money in a chinese poker game as they would in 3/6 limit game. If you have 4 guys paying 8-10$ every 30 min. It is the same. I actually bet that dealers would get tipped better at a chinese poker table than they would at a 3/6 game. And here is my reasoning:

Two guys have mammoth hands. They end up killing the other two guys for lets say 5 points each. Thats $50 two guys just won. I would throw the dealer probably $2 and the other guy would throw the dealer at least $1. The dealer is getting $3 for a tip when he doesn't have to do anything but deal out the entire deck and take the cards and do it again. You would see that I bet dealers would actually enjoy dealing this game.

My whole philosophy is that its worth a try. If they say no, then I will propose a different solution. I'll get it to where they (the poker room) can't say no.

And on a different note, lets spread some mixed games. Anything! I bet you'd be surprised as to what they will do for you if you ask? We would play at the Majestic Star on Friday nights/Saturday afternoons a bunch of mixed games. These included limit hold 'em, O8, stud8, and stud hi. (HOSE) or (SHOE). Can RC or any of the other surrounding areas run these games? I honestly would love to play something like this, but I think you have to run it at 6/12 because of the bring ins and what not or 3/6 and use the pink chips! Anyway, sorry to ramble, but seriously, lets do something other than Hold 'Em or if we can't, throw it in w/ a mix of other games! Optimism only !

As far as I know Chinese isn't legal in STL poker rooms. Hell, I don't even think one could play HORSE at river city as I believe Razz is not licensed. It is at Harrah's though to the best of my knowledge.

I found something interesting just now. As far as the Missouri gaming commision is concerned there are several versions of poker that can be played. They are as following:

POKER (Poker Room)
- Seven Card Stud (high, low (razz), high/low split)
- Five Card Stud
- Five Card Draw (high, low, high/low split)
- Texas Hold 'Em (high, low, high/low split)
- Omaha Hold 'Em (high, low, high/low split)
- Pineapple (high, low, high/low split)
- Crazy Pineapple (high, low, high/low split)
- KC Lo-Ball
- Bad Beat Progressive w/special hand awards

The KC Lo-Ball is considered A-5, 6-4, 2-7, and can be triple draw. So with this being said, any poker room in the state of Missouri can in fact deal these games.

All information can be seen here http://www.mgc.dps.mo.gov/

This should clear up any confusion.

There's no doubt that the rooms will spread the games, the problem is getting people to play them. I've watched people in this thread try many times to get some type of regular mix game going but it either doesn't get enough interest or not enough people can agree on a day/time/place. In a perfect world there would be a larger selection of games to choose from on a daily basis.

I'm a perfect example, I work full time and have a family. I manage to still play weekly but my availability is limited.

Harrah's def can run HORSE if the demand can be met. They ran it at $10/$20 before the HORSE Tourney in the Circuit Event this year. As far as Chinese goes, I doubt $10/half hr = rake collected at $1/$2 NL or $3/$6 limit. The tables typically take in more than $80 an hour right? I really haven't kept great track of typical rake collection...I just know it's "a lot". But if we get Biggle along with us Endo, we'd have half of a lowball table ready to go...haha. I'll drive out to river city for that at least.

I'd also be willing to drive to RC if I knew a SHOE (screw Razz)/8-game/10-game could be run, preferably $6/$12 ish. I'm going to Vegas on the 4th, and hoping to catch the "Mix Game from Hell" at the Imperial Palace on that Sunday. Has anyone here played recently in Vegas? Any other draw lowball/mix games there that don't cost an arm and a leg?

As far as PM's go, you probably have enough posts now Endo, but I'm not sure.

You misunderstood me, $10 a half hour per person X 4 = $40 a half hour, or $80 an hour, which would be the same as a typical 1/2 NL game or 3/6 game.

I say we try and get an interest list for some 5/10 2-7 triple draw. What I'll do is everytime I go to RC, there will be in interest list for triple draw. We'll see if anyone wants to play or not.

What'd be nice is, limit hold em, O8, stud8, and some 2-7 would be nice (with 8 players, the UTG and UTG + 1 sit out while the rest of the table plays so there are only 6 players playing at once.

The Mix Game from Hell I'm assuming has badugi, baduci, like triple flop omaha, and some other crazy games, right? I played something similar to that at Treasure Island about 3 years ago. I know that the Venetian will spread ANYTHING you want as long as there is interest. Like I said, my buddies and I were able to get a good mix going and people actually showed interest. We played it at 6/12 and used the $3 chips, it was great! The problem was that the dealers struggled, pretty badly. It was fine, but we had to coach them through a lot of the games.

Let's get something going!

I'd be up for a mixed game at RC. I've don't have much experience with 2-7TD though. I would rather play higher than 5/10. 8/16, 10/20 or higher would be better.

I'm a little confused still. I thought that rooms still had to apply to be allowed to play the above games and I thought that most of the rooms did not do that.

Basically. A good number of them I haven't played, but I'll probably just nit up on more of the clueless games like triple flop Omaha. I have been picking my TD cards online in the best possible way for baduci for quite awhile, so at least that should help me a little bit.

If the game is already approved by the MGC, I don't think they have to apply to the MGC to offer it (could definitely be wrong though). They just need to write up rules, etc. for internal controls. And hell, I'd write up a template for rules for a poker supervisor if it improved the chances of the damn game running. Do live single draw/triple draw do a burn card between draws? I'm guessing no, but minor stuff like that for rules, I have no clue.

In Chicago visiting g/f's parents now, they had HORSE at the Horseshoe tonight, but it was $40/$80 .

Boggle, you may be right. I don't know how it all works, but if that's all Missouri has approved, does each casino have to apply for each game? I don't understand it.

Tringlomane, yes you burn before you give the cards the person might need.

Trying to get a new 5/10 NL game going on Saturdays at Lumiere with a $1500 max buyin just like the 5/10 games at Bellagio and Commerce. Game is going on right now.