You'll start to gain some proficiency fast, but you won't be "good" in the eyes of a seasoned supervisor for prolly a year or more. You'll get there much faster if you follow the advice of the experienced cardroom staff that post here tho.

The best part tho is that you don't have to be good in my eyes, you only need to be good in the eyes of your customers, the players. If you get better quickly, gain speed (never at the expense of accuracy tho), and don't make mistakes most customers will be happy. They're usually not paying that much attention unless you draw attention to yourself by being excessively slow, sloppy, or keep screwing up because you're talking or not paying attention.

And you better say "thank you" for every tip you get. Otherwise I'll kick you in the nuts!!

al

Random: So I am in St. Louis for a job interview, but not with enough time to play. I still stopped by the Lumiere just to check it out. I was observing a 1/3 table for a while, and the entire table seemed to be playing pretty weak. Lots of 4-5 people limping to the flop, resulting in a 15 dollar pot, someone raises 6 bucks and most of them fold. Is this the norm for the 1/3 games there, or was that one particularly weak?

Also, how much action is there on weekends?

Ummmm...maybe because you were barred?

FWIW: From what I observe the majority of the time it would be raise to $12-$25 and called by 4-5 players then bet of $60 on the flop to try and take it down.

The majority of what I said in my previous post was general. The one line about judgements being based on personal prejudices was referring to players that have been asked not to play in our room because they cannot act like an adult and treat our staff with common courtesy.
I do not want to post about individuals but when my integrity is called into question I typically feel the need to act.
I would prefer that specific situations were discussed and analyzed by the wonderful STL posters on 2+2. So if there are specific examples that can be posted objectively on this forum then I will be happy to respond.
If continued attacks on the Lumiere staff persist then I would not be able to justify a response.

Does the Lumiere run SNG tournies? If not, what are the difficulties that prevent them.

The old President used to run them but they sometimes acted as if they were more trouble than they were worth.

I'd also like to see 4 or 5 daily tournaments. Is there not a large enough player base to fill them? Do they not produce enough income compared to using that staff for ring games?

I have a feeling this is a major factor.

For a poker room the size of Lumiere, having 2 daily tourneys is fine. I don't think it would be preferable to have half the room occupied by "dead" money.

The tourneys I played there had between 25 and 35 people entered and I was told that was on the high side.

Lumiere caps their tournys at 30 max. They have a 50 max once a month, but the buyin is $325. The daily tournys are $35 at noon -- $55 on Fri and Sat. The $55 fills up, but the $35 ones don't all the time.....not enough $$$ in the prize pool. I can make more money on one hand of Blackjack than 1st place and save myself 2 hours. If you want to kill some time, $35 tournys are the way to go....not many people can go to a casino for 2 hours and lose less than $35.

does the 5/10 ever run anywhere but Lumiere and does it ever run any other night than Tuesday or Wednesday at Lumiere...whichever night it usually runs? also where is the best place for 2/5 when 5/10 isnt going?

This was obviously directed at me. Common courtesy? I have observed a dozen incidents of a certain few Floormen being rude to customers for no reason. This is my personal favorite...

This is a room I played every day. This is a room I produced about $2000 a month worth of rake in. This is a room that I tipped the staff $6-800 a month in. This is a room that I won about $25+ an hour playing 1/3 in. FatMan's story is probably accurate. A small portion of the staff at Lumiere exhibits a mob mentality IMO. Due to certain floormen, I threatened to NOT TIP the dealers. I could not find a reason to tip any staff member of a staff whose management does not value my patronage or treats me poorly. I felt the tactic would spur dealers to tell the floormen that they are, in fact, part of the customer's gaming experience.

Lumiere management's response was to bar me from the room...

Yes. They barred me. Word on the street? According to my friends that work at Lumiere and many players that play there, I could play Lumiere if I wanted to. I am not interested in playing in that room. Lumiere did not seem to value my business. My actions were merely REACTIONS to the these certain few floormen. I will not comment on this situation in this thread again, as it takes away from a thread about Saint Louis Poker.

5/10 goes tues and fri at lumiere... no 2/5 in town... sad

???

Theres a 2/5 game almost every weekend at lumiere and a few days a week at Ameristar.

ok, i stand corrected... never seen a 2-5 go at lum... and havent seen a game at ameristar for months... gave up on it... anyone know of the 2/5 going at star recently??

2-5 has been running at Lumiere on Saturday nights, usually starting around 6pm. The 5-10 runs tuesdays and fridays and will likely run on Sundays in the near future.

Quick St. Louis Questions:

1. Which room in town has the most tables?
2. Is POL (1-2 or 2-5) spread anywhere?
3. Any room have a poker room rate for hotel?
4. If you had to recommend one room to visit for best action, which would it be?

Many thanks for any responses.

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Question guys is there any reg. limit HE games other than mind dumbing 3/6 in stl? any regular 5/10 or 10/20? from what I remember the 5/10 at ameristar was insanely soft a few years ago.

Word at Harrahs is there's been a 20/40 game running on Fridays.

lol I'd probably be the fish in that game. Is there 5/10 running consistantly anywhere?

anyone looking to play 10/20-25/50 hu/shorthanded tomorrow night?

No, but I'm willing to help you start this game sometime.

HPT at Ameristar.....anyone playing?

If all goes well, the first weekend for sure, and therefore, hopefully the 2nd weekend.

Coming in to town Thursday the 12th to donk around in the mega-satellites.

http://heartlandpokertour.com/eventi...id=2009&eid=14

Structures:

http://heartlandpokertour.com/data/h...ydetail384.pdf