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04-17-2018 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lilu7
Big Mike where do you normally play?
The Isle
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04-17-2018 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Lets face it, we are just playing a guessing game here because nobody really knows what anyone else makes. However, if you play a lot you can get some sort of idea about the top 5-8 players in the room.

I think your numbers are too high. You are estimating:
5-7 pros per available table. 2-3 pros per table playing at same time.
10% of 2/5 pros make $100K

I play 95% of my hours at the Isle so clearly I know it like that back of my hand. Ive played at Kennel Club, The Creek, HR, Gulfstream and Hialeah.

As an experiment Im going to count the total number of 2/5 tables at 2PM and 9PM and Ill come up with an average over the next 7 days. For now, I think your estimate of 22 tables is somewhere near correct although places like the Creek that you are giving 2 tables have none at least half the time.

You're giving the Isle 3 out of the 22 tables. That's fair.

So we are saying the Isle has 1/7th of all tables. I would be shocked if there was more than two 2/5 players at the Isle who make $100K. Id actually fall out of my chair if there were more than 2. You have to play at least 1500-1600 hours. I think I know every single player who plays that much.

I think there are only 4 regs at the Isle who are capable of making $100K.

1) Only plays at the Isle maybe 1-2 days a week so hes not really an Isle reg. He plays more at HR so I have no idea if he plays enough total hours to make $100K, but when hes in the Isle, IMO, hes the best player in the room.

2 and 3) Two of them play only evenings. I dont know them well enough to know if they have jobs or not but my guess is they do which is why they play only evenings so they dont play 1500+ hrs of poker.

4) Good ol' MikeStarr. I know what I make.

If someone came up to me and showed me their poker app and showed me a $100K year and it wasnt one of these 4 guys, I might pass out. I honestly dont think there is anyone else good enough and plays enough to do it.

So Im saying there is 1 maybe 2 Isle players who make $100K. Since we gave the Isle 1/7th of all tables maybe we can extrapolate that may be 7-14 total 2/5 players in S. Florida who make $100K?

I still say its about 5 or less though because people are lazy and poker pros are even lazier and some of them will play less hours when they are crushing it.
The Kennel Club, as soft as the game is there, could definitely have 3 or 4 pros making 100K alone. I don't play there often enough to know which of the top players there are putting in the hours to reach that total.

I agree with you that the Isle is pretty nitty, especially during the daytime hours. It loosens up a bit at night and on the weekends, and sometimes you'll see a table there with some crazy action. The $1000 buy-in also opens up the opportunity to make more money.

Mardi Gras also has a tough lineup but I'd not be surprised if there's at least 1 player there hitting 100K.

Gulfstream is pretty soft and there's real opportunity there.

The Hard Rock is a tough lineup but with 3 or 4 tables running in the early afternoon and 9 or 10 running at night, if you have some table selection skills there's plenty of money to be made there. And the tourists who play poker all go to Hard Rock. My best estimate is that there are 3+ players making 100K at this room alone.

Magic City's game isn't as soft as it once was but I'm pretty certain that there are at least 2 guys there pulling in 100K.
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04-27-2018 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bolt2112
The Kennel Club, as soft as the game is there, could definitely have 3 or 4 pros making 100K alone. I don't play there often enough to know which of the top players there are putting in the hours to reach that total.

I agree with you that the Isle is pretty nitty, especially during the daytime hours. It loosens up a bit at night and on the weekends, and sometimes you'll see a table there with some crazy action. The $1000 buy-in also opens up the opportunity to make more money.

Mardi Gras also has a tough lineup but I'd not be surprised if there's at least 1 player there hitting 100K.

Gulfstream is pretty soft and there's real opportunity there.

The Hard Rock is a tough lineup but with 3 or 4 tables running in the early afternoon and 9 or 10 running at night, if you have some table selection skills there's plenty of money to be made there. And the tourists who play poker all go to Hard Rock. My best estimate is that there are 3+ players making 100K at this room alone.

Magic City's game isn't as soft as it once was but I'm pretty certain that there are at least 2 guys there pulling in 100K.



The bottom line in Florida is you CANNOT beat the rake.....

Does not matter if there is 6 fish and you///

$5 + $2 jackpot plus $1 MINIMUM tip = $8

Is what it is,... one of these casinos will wake up and go back to $1

If/when 1 goes to $4, they will get all the business

The $2 jackpot was installed when Chris from Isle opened Calder,
and other casinos followed..

Mike Smith operator at the Isle even said, he hated to do it,
had no choice as competition made their jackpots higher...

Who is the 1st to go back to $1, I do not kmow, but they will get my business...
$2 jackpots drops are a disgrace
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04-27-2018 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by hoops22
The bottom line in Florida is you CANNOT beat the rake.....

Does not matter if there is 6 fish and you///

$5 + $2 jackpot plus $1 MINIMUM tip = $8

Is what it is,... one of these casinos will wake up and go back to $1

If/when 1 goes to $4, they will get all the business

The $2 jackpot was installed when Chris from Isle opened Calder,
and other casinos followed..

Mike Smith operator at the Isle even said, he hated to do it,
had no choice as competition made their jackpots higher...

Who is the 1st to go back to $1, I do not kmow, but they will get my business...
$2 jackpots drops are a disgrace
How did we go from how many guy make $100K to the rake is unbeatable?

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04-28-2018 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
How did we go from how many guy make $100K to the rake is unbeatable?
Add up the dollars Mike,
Do you think $2 jackpot drop and $5 rake does not cut into that
100k you want to win,...

Add it up, serious number...
Makes 100k look like 80
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04-28-2018 , 08:51 AM
Obviously the rake cuts into your profit. The higher the rake the less you win. That's obvious, but you said the rake is unbeatable which is ridiculous.

We were talking about how many 2/5 players make $100K. That's including the rake which is a tad high compared to other parts of the country but not crazy high at all compared to other parts of the world. Not to mention the $2 jackpot drop gets paid back to the players. 100% of it gets paid back. Its not really rake. Its just money being redistributed another way.

Ive won $14875 in high hand money since I started playing close to full time in 2016. That includes what I consider to be fairly generous high hand tips. That's $4.10/hr in high hand money. I dont know exactly how many hands Ive won but Im guessing Im slightly ahead in promo money.
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04-29-2018 , 09:00 AM
I'm not ahead in promo $. I'd love to know (PM if you want) who you think the top 1% Isle crushers are. Guess like 7 people.
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04-29-2018 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Obviously the rake cuts into your profit. The higher the rake the less you win. That's obvious, but you said the rake is unbeatable which is ridiculous.

We were talking about how many 2/5 players make $100K. That's including the rake which is a tad high compared to other parts of the country but not crazy high at all compared to other parts of the world. Not to mention the $2 jackpot drop gets paid back to the players. 80-90% of it gets paid back. Its not really rake. Its just money being redistributed another way.

Ive won $14875 in high hand money since I started playing close to full time in 2016. That includes what I consider to be fairly generous high hand tips. That's $4.10/hr in high hand money. I dont know exactly how many hands Ive won but Im guessing Im slightly ahead in promo money.
FYP. Each house keeps between .10-.20 on the dollar as a fee for administrating the jackpot
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04-29-2018 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BTT
FYP. Each house keeps between .10-.20 on the dollar as a fee for administrating the jackpot
I was told that Florida law states that 100% of promo money has to be paid back to the players. I only know what I was told by the poker room manager. Can you quote the law that says otherwise?
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04-29-2018 , 10:34 PM
849.45 - Fees for services.
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04-30-2018 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BTT
849.45 - Fees for services.
849.45 Fees for services.—Fees for services required hereunder shall be the same as provided for sheriffs and clerks for like and similar services in other cases and matters.


Thats not a lot of help.
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04-30-2018 , 01:07 PM
Is the kennel club a better poker room than Naples-Fort Myers greyhound spot ? Those are my two options right now
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04-30-2018 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AaronBanks
Is the kennel club a better poker room than Naples-Fort Myers greyhound spot ? Those are my two options right now
Whats your definition of "better"? And are you talking about Palm Beach Kennel Club?
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04-30-2018 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AaronBanks
Is the kennel club a better poker room than Naples-Fort Myers greyhound spot ? Those are my two options right now
I 'hear' the kennel club in w. palm is fantastic action wise. also there are a good amount pretty close to each other so you can move easily to a different location if you want.

I've been trying to get to the kennel club for a month now but can't seem to get a clear weekend to save my life.
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04-30-2018 , 05:23 PM
BTT, this is not true. FL law requires that the segregated jackpot funds be 100% paid out and kept liquid 100% of the time. You can verify this with any of the full time floors / supervisors.
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04-30-2018 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
As an experiment Im going to count the total number of 2/5 tables at 2PM and 9PM and Ill come up with an average over the next 7 days. For now, I think your estimate of 22 tables is somewhere near correct although places like the Creek that you are giving 2 tables have none at least half the time.
This was posted approximately two weeks ago on April 17th. I'm curious to know whether you followed through on this experiment, and if you did, what the results were.
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04-30-2018 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DC2LV
This was posted approximately two weeks ago on April 17th. I'm curious to know whether you followed through on this experiment, and if you did, what the results were.
Sorry, I totally forgot but I will try to do it going forward.
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05-02-2018 , 11:22 AM
I'm not going to bother quoting several of the posts from the last few days. These are all in response to them.

The Palm Beach Kennel Club and Naples Dog Track are roughly equivalent in terms of action and the skill level of the typical player. Naples Dog Track does have an entrance fee at the front door, which is about $2. And they charge for every little thing, including no complimentary bottles of water. But the games are soft and the players are friendly.

Choosing a room to play in based on an extra $1 that goes to the jackpot fund is absurd. Especially when all of it (or 85 to 90%) of it goes back to the player pool. For better or for worse, high hand promos attract the fish. I'll go where the fish are, and if it costs me an extra $1 per pot to play at the same table as the bad players, then so be it.

I was playing last night against a spectacular fish. I had the nut straight. Everyone at the table knew I had the nut straight. Even this one guy who was the biggest fish of them all knew I had the nut straight. So when I bet $175 into a $400 pot on the river, did the fish fold? I'll give him credit. He really tried. He tanked for at least 60 seconds. He muttered to himself. He shook his head. He held his cards out over the table and willed himself to muck his losing two pair (or whatever he had). Eventually he made the call and was rewarded with the sight of my Ace-10 on a 10 J Q K X board.

If I'm in a room with a $1 jackpot playing against a semi-competent player there's a good chance I'm winning a $90 pot on the turn instead of bloating it into a $750 pot on the river. I'll go where the fish are.
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05-03-2018 , 10:34 PM
I'm heading to Fort Lauderdale area for work next week and need to buy some nice greens... thoughts? Any actual advice would be greatly appreciated. Would definitely be interested in hitting a casino with a 420 friendly local

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05-07-2018 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bolt2112
Naples Dog Track does have an entrance fee at the front door, which is about $2. And they charge for every little thing, including no complimentary bottles of water.
I thought Magic City was the most player-unfriendly poker room in SoFla given that they offer no comps, won't allow you to call-in to get on the sign-up list, and rake $3 ($1 + $2) even if you just steal the $7 blinds in a $2/$5NL game, but at least they still offer free water, coffee, and soft drinks, and don't charge you merely to enter the room. That is absolutely ridiculous!
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05-07-2018 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DC2LV
I thought Magic City was the most player-unfriendly poker room in SoFla given that they offer no comps, won't allow you to call-in to get on the sign-up list, and rake $3 ($1 + $2) even if you just steal the $7 blinds in a $2/$5NL game, but at least they still offer free water, coffee, and soft drinks, and don't charge you merely to enter the room. That is absolutely ridiculous!
That robbery. I wont be playing there...ever
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05-08-2018 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DC2LV
I thought Magic City was the most player-unfriendly poker room in SoFla given that they offer no comps, won't allow you to call-in to get on the sign-up list, and rake $3 ($1 + $2) even if you just steal the $7 blinds in a $2/$5NL game, but at least they still offer free water, coffee, and soft drinks, and don't charge you merely to enter the room. That is absolutely ridiculous!
It probably won't surprise you to learn that Magic City and Naples are owned by the same family.
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05-18-2018 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Shai Hulud
Also given you are one of the four such players (presumably one of the 1 to 2) including yourself in the sampling has a large statistical effect on your estimate. It's a highly biased sample. If you didn't play at the Isle (say you quit poker or moved up to 5/T exclusively) your estimate would be 0 - 1 100k+ 2/5 pros therefore 0 - 7 in all SFL.

We can't really extrapolate based on such a small number of crushers in one room. If you take the room with the largest player pool and they have a statistically significant number of 2/5 crushers (like 4 to 5 minimum) you might get a semi decent estimate by multiplying proportionately based on that room's percentage of tables, but otherwise I don't think it's going to be very accurate.



There's a statistical problem with this conclusion as well, namely an observation selection effect. Whichever room you play the most will appear to have the most regs, particularly if you play 95% in one room for years as you have.

I'd like to come play at the Isle at some point and see if it's really that big a nitfest. Have to say I'm skeptical...
Confirming Isle 2/5 NITfest here
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05-18-2018 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I was miserable during the derby. I had to break out the Bose noise cancellation headphones and I could still hear the crap over the loud speaker. So annoying.

Let me know if you ever want to meet. I enjoy meeting other 2+2ers.
I was playing 2/5 at the Isle on Derby Night also. First table behind the desk with a young couple to my left (guy playing/ girl watching) calling station.

Would like to meet other 2+2ers also. Might be there tonight after 8pm.
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05-20-2018 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhino4787
Confirming Isle 2/5 NITfest here
I'm sure it's nitty but aren't most rooms these days? I often have to table change a couple times before I get a halfway decent table. Just seems that's how poker is. The drunk spewy donks are pretty rare around here. Almost everybody knows pot odds, outs, basic hand reading, etc. They still have many exploitable leaks but I don't come across that many clueless players.
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