Hey guys moving here soon, anyone have any recommendations for a good old school boxing gym? Also if anyone trains bjj would like a recommendation for that as well, thanks

5th Street Gym in South Beach has a 60+ year history... now at 1434 Alton Rd, Miami Beach, FL 33139 (the original building on 5th street was torn down).

Where is the best PLO action in South Florida? Flying down to play and hit the beach. Looking for low stakes 1/2 or 5/5. Trying to figure out which game would be best, flying into FLL.

The Isle has good 1/2 PLO on a hit and miss basis. Its more likely to run on Fri/Sat.

Hialeah has some insane action 1/2 PLO games in the evenings but the area is pretty shady and you may be the only one speaking English at the table.

You can check Bravo for PLO at the Hard Rock. I havent checked in a while.

How's the action at Magic City/SHRH/Mardi Gras doing nowadays? I hear some of the rooms are just recovering after the hurricane. Thinking of hitting a 2/5 or 5/T tonight or tomorrow night, prioritizing softness/action.

Mardi Gras just reopened after hurricane damage. None of the other rooms suffered any damage or had any problems at all. Check out Bravo.

I broke a promise I'd made to myself and made a return to Miccosukee poker. I've played in at least 3 or 4 dozen rooms in half a dozen states and this is easily the worst room I've ever played in. This room makes Dania Jai Alai (before its renovation) look like the Bellagio. I used to play here, exclusively, when I was first learning the game. It was a dump then, but it had 2 separate poker rooms and both of them were packed. 40 tables running on a busy weekend. 10 tables going at 5 am on a Wednesday.

Tonight I came in and there were 2 games running. A 2-4 limit game and a 1-2 No limit game. Not even an interest list for anything bigger. This, at 7 pm.

Eventually, they opened a 2nd 1-2 NL game. Same stupid procedure as always. One deck at the table. Hand shuffle. A supervisor overseeing the dealer as she verified the deck because a dealer can't be trusted to identify that the deck is good all by herself.

No effort to even pretend to enforce English only. A cocktail waitress popping in every 30 or 40 minutes to do rounds. Player chairs that are older than I am. With cigarette holes in the cushion. They haven't allowed smoking in here in several years, by the way.

The same bitter, unengaged, unqualified, and somehow underpaid supervisors as ever.

I stole the blinds on one hand. $1 to the rake. $2 to the jackpot. I got my original raise returned to me for my trouble. I guess I should be grateful I didn't lose money on the hand.

Dealers rolling the deck, exposing cards to the 1 and 9 seat on each shuffle and to the 7, 8, and 9 seat on every burn card.

It's still somehow comforting to return to where it all began for me. And even more comforting to know that I won't be back for at least another 3 or 4 years.

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Great synopsis of Miccosukee. I have no idea why anyone in Miami would play there on a regular basis.

I am 36 and currently living north of Pittsburgh, PA. "Home" is Pompano Beach, and I am considering relocating back south after my daughter graduates HS is a couple years. I understand games and fields of players can change over time, but please bear with me here.

Game selection up here (in my opinion) is weak, the Mon-Thur games are all 1/3, reg infested, and usually 4-6 tables at most, Prime time (Fri PM, Sat, etc) I have access to 10-15 games of 1/3 and maybe 1-2 games of 2/5.

I checked out Bravo during lunch today and I have all of 7 games to choose from up here, 2 or 3 per casino and all an hour away, all of which are 1/3 NLHE. I look 1000 miles south and at that same time every casino I would consider going to down in SoFla has listed 7+ 1/3 games, 3+ 2/5 games, and even a random handful of 5/T+ games. You guys have 6-7X the table offerings and it appears regular 2/5+ games too.

I miss the diversity and lifestyle I once had in FL, and looking to eventually make a come back. Snow sucks after a while and the Sun, Beach, and Palm Trees get missed.

I know I would need to make at least $100k a year playing full time, have to take care of Uncle Sam and all.

Is there enough game selection and opportunities to successfully make 6-figure, regularly?

I haven't keep a log of hours, wins, losses, etc. But I would say at worst I am a winning player who on occasion gambles away on a pretty looking hand (4/5 of a royal) and makes an ugly decision.

I guess I also have to ask, to any Pro-Reg-Grinders out there, what kind of money can be made through out the year? What kind of schedule is a reasonable expectation to make this life change? Can you grind a lifestyle playing 9-5, or is it the more stereotypical night-owl and weekend warrior schedule? What should I have in the bank before I even consider ditching the "9-5" should I want to make the move?

If this post belongs somewhere else, I apologize. And, if these topics have been covered elsewhere please refer me to them.

Best resource for this info is the Winrates forum; check out Mike Starr's posts esp. for FL info.

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Even if you could make $100k playing daytime 1/3 & 2/5 I'm fairly certain that you wouldn't be able to do so.

Nobody really knows for sure what anyone else makes playing poker, but I have a couple close friends who share their info with me and they are really good compared to the very large amount of people who play 2/5 down here. I'll say this with a lot of confidence....I doubt that there is more than 5 people making $100K playing 2/5 in all of S. Florida.

Can you do it? Based on the limited info in your post and more specifically the sentence in bold in the post above mine.....Not a chance in hell.

If you play a reasonable amount of hours for a pro...lets say 1600, you need to make $62.50/hr. That's absolute crusher territory. Top 1% territory. If you were that good you would know.

More like top .1% or even .01%. Five guys making 100k playing 2/5 out of how many trying? Gotta be a lot more than 500.

There are definitely more than 5 guys making 100K playing 2-5.

Unless you're being incredibly strict about defining a 2-5 player. If a player spends 80-90% of his hours at 2-5 and occasionally plays 5-10 or dabbles in PLO from time to time, is he disqualified?

I don't know what the number is, I was just going by MikeStarr's estimate. My point though is not the number of 2/5 pros who make 100k+, but rather what percentile you need to be in to make that much, and I think it's higher than 99th percentile. If it's 99th percentile, then if there were 50 pros making 100k+ in SFL, there are about 500 2/5 players in SFL. I don't know what these two numbers are, but there are definitely way more than 500 2/5 players in SFL.

My guess is more like 99.9th percentile or top .1% of 2/5 regs make 100k+. I suppose my definition would just be they make 100k+ playing 2/5. They're not disqualified for playing other games, but if they make 30k playing 2/5 and 100k playing 5/T yeah I'm not counting them as Nittany182 and subsequent posters seemed to be focusing on making this at 2/5 and 1/3 games.

I doubt the definition changes the statistics that much though if we said a 2/5 player making 100k+ includes anyone who makes 100k+ from poker at least (insert arbitrary %, say 67%) of which comes from 2/5 games.

99.9 percentile? You're talking about 1 in 1000 2-5 pros. How many 2-5 pros do you think there are in South Florida? I doubt there are 1000 pros across all games.

Figure a single 2-5 table can support 4 or 5 professional players. Magic City might have 3 games going at most times (which is a generous estimate). Gulfstream has 2 games going. Mardi Gras has 1 game. The Isle has 3 games. The Kennel Club has 3 games. Hialeah, Miccosukee, Dania, and King's Court have zero games.

The Hard Rock has maybe 6 games. Coconut Creek has 2. Let's count the two Seminole Properties as 10 tables instead of 8 since they're open 24 hours, which is overly generous.

So that's 22 tables of 2-5 to choose from in South Florida on average. Those 22 tables can support between 100 and 150 professionals, which will allow the pros to spread out and play 30-40 hours/week and only have 2 or 3 pros sitting together at the same table at the same time.

I'd estimate that 10-15 of those guys are making 100K per year. I can probably name 3 or 4 of them off the top of my head.

You seem to have misread my posts. I'm not comparing 2/5 crushers against other 2/5 pros but 2/5 crushers against the pool of all 2/5 players in general, winning, break even, or losing. I'm guessing for every guy making six figures from 2/5 there are 999+ making less. That's what 99.9th percentile means. So if there' ten guys making six figures at 2/5 in SFL and they are only in the 99th percentile that implies a player pool of 990 across all SFL. That seems too small given the population. I mean if there are 100 pros like you suggest then more than one in ten 2/5 players is a pro. That can't be right given it's a negative sum game.

But the exact percentile doesn't really matter. The point is very few poker players make that kind of money. Very very few. It's statistically unlikely the guy asking the question would be one of them, but who knows, it's possible.

the babes in Miami tho

what do u guise think the average 2/5 "pro" makes hourly in SFL?

Lets face it, we are just playing a guessing game here because nobody really knows what anyone else makes. However, if you play a lot you can get some sort of idea about the top 5-8 players in the room.

I think your numbers are too high. You are estimating:
5-7 pros per available table. 2-3 pros per table playing at same time.
10% of 2/5 pros make $100K

I play 95% of my hours at the Isle so clearly I know it like that back of my hand. Ive played at Kennel Club, The Creek, HR, Gulfstream and Hialeah.

As an experiment Im going to count the total number of 2/5 tables at 2PM and 9PM and Ill come up with an average over the next 7 days. For now, I think your estimate of 22 tables is somewhere near correct although places like the Creek that you are giving 2 tables have none at least half the time.

You're giving the Isle 3 out of the 22 tables. That's fair.

So we are saying the Isle has 1/7th of all tables. I would be shocked if there was more than two 2/5 players at the Isle who make $100K. Id actually fall out of my chair if there were more than 2. You have to play at least 1500-1600 hours. I think I know every single player who plays that much.

I think there are only 4 regs at the Isle who are capable of making $100K.

1) Only plays at the Isle maybe 1-2 days a week so hes not really an Isle reg. He plays more at HR so I have no idea if he plays enough total hours to make $100K, but when hes in the Isle, IMO, hes the best player in the room.

2 and 3) Two of them play only evenings. I dont know them well enough to know if they have jobs or not but my guess is they do which is why they play only evenings so they dont play 1500+ hrs of poker.

4) Good ol' MikeStarr. I know what I make.

If someone came up to me and showed me their poker app and showed me a $100K year and it wasnt one of these 4 guys, I might pass out. I honestly dont think there is anyone else good enough and plays enough to do it.

So Im saying there is 1 maybe 2 Isle players who make $100K. Since we gave the Isle 1/7th of all tables maybe we can extrapolate that may be 7-14 total 2/5 players in S. Florida who make $100K?

I still say its about 5 or less though because people are lazy and poker pros are even lazier and some of them will play less hours when they are crushing it.

$25-$30/hr

Edit to my last post:

Ive always contended that the Isle is the toughest room to win at a high rate because there are so many regs/nits/rocks...so maybe based on that maybe there really is proportionally more guys making $100K in other rooms.

Also given you are one of the four such players (presumably one of the 1 to 2) including yourself in the sampling has a large statistical effect on your estimate. It's a highly biased sample. If you didn't play at the Isle (say you quit poker or moved up to 5/T exclusively) your estimate would be 0 - 1 100k+ 2/5 pros therefore 0 - 7 in all SFL.

We can't really extrapolate based on such a small number of crushers in one room. If you take the room with the largest player pool and they have a statistically significant number of 2/5 crushers (like 4 to 5 minimum) you might get a semi decent estimate by multiplying proportionately based on that room's percentage of tables, but otherwise I don't think it's going to be very accurate.

There's a statistical problem with this conclusion as well, namely an observation selection effect. Whichever room you play the most will appear to have the most regs, particularly if you play 95% in one room for years as you have.

I'd like to come play at the Isle at some point and see if it's really that big a nitfest. Have to say I'm skeptical...

It is.

Big Mike where do you normally play?