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03-26-2013 , 01:19 PM
Do Fridays and Saturdays count for gas card promo for April?
Some dude at derby said, and it was later confirmed, that he has hit the spade royal 3 times in derby mtts for 20k. wtf...
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03-26-2013 , 01:20 PM
I haven't totally given up. I'm hoping they're just stocking the coffers for the summer when the Snowbirds are gone. They don't need to do much to bring people in now, plenty of tourists around with nothing better to do. Once that scene dries up, I'm hoping the promos get better. Pipe dream, maybe...
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03-27-2013 , 02:21 AM
I hope that at least the gas card turns out to be a visa gift card.
I'm also wondering if the weekend counts toward that 35 hours.
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03-27-2013 , 09:58 PM
I never got enough PM interest to really run mix.

Anyone interested in trying to start up a 5/10+ HORSE or some kinda mix Saturday?
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03-27-2013 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RUFFNECK
I never got enough PM interest to really run mix.

Anyone interested in trying to start up a 5/10+ HORSE or some kinda mix Saturday?
I'm in. Just give me a heads up as its an hour drive.
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03-29-2013 , 05:35 PM
I do not see anything on their website about it. I will be in town a few days this month so was planning on stopping in anyway if I have some extra time.
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03-29-2013 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RUFFNECK
I never got enough PM interest to really run mix.

Anyone interested in trying to start up a 5/10+ HORSE or some kinda mix Saturday?
I'd be interested in 10/20+ HORSE or just LO8, please pm me if you get something going although I can't make it on Saturday this week.
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03-30-2013 , 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RUFFNECK
I never got enough PM interest to really run mix.

Anyone interested in trying to start up a 5/10+ HORSE or some kinda mix Saturday?
they've been getting half and half lately. 5/10 NL w 2/5PLO
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04-01-2013 , 12:21 PM
hey guys i skimmed the last 200 posts of the thread but couldnt find anything about room rates. do they offer a poker rate, or any other ways to avoid the 250/night or whatever it is?
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04-01-2013 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mikedeck22
hey guys i skimmed the last 200 posts of the thread but couldnt find anything about room rates. do they offer a poker rate, or any other ways to avoid the 250/night or whatever it is?
No poker room rate. I stayed at the Fairfield Inn last week (a couple of miles away) that was OK - used Marriott points but I think it would have been $109/night including breakfast. The FAQs in the first post mention a few other.
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04-01-2013 , 01:24 PM
thanks
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04-01-2013 , 07:53 PM
We ever get an answer on whether or not April's promo is 24/7 or restricted to certain days?
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04-01-2013 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HauntingTheHoly
We ever get an answer on whether or not April's promo is 24/7 or restricted to certain days?
24/7
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04-04-2013 , 02:01 AM
They are now displaying the primary and both backup amounts for the jackpots of each game on the BBJ screen. I credit PokerXanadu for his efforts.

PX, I know this is only part of the disclosure issues you've been battling the mighty tribe on, but on behalf of all of us, I thank you for putting your time and energy into this, especially considering you don't even play here that much anymore. We appreciate you fighting the good fight.
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04-04-2013 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by machi5
They are now displaying the primary and both backup amounts for the jackpots of each game on the BBJ screen. I credit PokerXanadu for his efforts.

PX, I know this is only part of the disclosure issues you've been battling the mighty tribe on, but on behalf of all of us, I thank you for putting your time and energy into this, especially considering you don't even play here that much anymore. We appreciate you fighting the good fight.
You are welcome! I battle injustice for poker players wherever I find it - it's my superpower!

Someone please ask at the THR poker room desk if they also make available the figure for the amount of the jackpot drop which is held aside for the player promotional prize pool. Hopefully they are doing that as well, perhaps just not as obviously.
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04-06-2013 , 06:38 PM
For the record, here are the changes to the jackpot drop policies that went into effect at THR on April 1:

There is now a sign in the poker lobby entrance that reads:
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Effective April 1, 2013, the Poker Jackpot and Poker Marketing Promotions pool rules will be revised as follows:

Poker Jackpot Rules

1. For every hand dealt, the Dealer will remove $.60 from the pot when the pot reaches $10 and drop the chip(s) into the jackpot drop.

Poker Marketing Promotions and Rewards

1. This collection of forty ($.40) cents per dollar contribution from all qualifying pots shall be done simultaneously and placed in the jackpot drop box to be utilized for Poker Marketing Promotions and Poker Rewards.

2. Poker Marketing promotion funds will be used for trip give-away, car drawings, and/or other Poker marketing promotions, including poker rewards, where the funds are available to all Poker Players via said promotion.

And funds contributed by patrons into the pools shall be returned when won in accordance with the posted rules and no commission, or administrative fees withheld.

Signage will continue to be posted in each poker room now detailing the published amounts for poker jackpot pools (primary, secondary and tertiary).
Also, there is now a printed full-color flier available for the taking at the poker desk which lays out the full rules for the April promotion ($200 gas card). I assume that they will continue to make such fliers available each month with the full rules for each monthly promotion.

The Good: All the jackpot rules and progressive jackpot prizes are now openly posted or published and available to all players, with the promise that all of the jackpot drop funds go back in full and exclusively to poker players. And I think the future might bring some very attractive player promotions since there must be a ton of money being set aside to go exclusively for player prizes and rewards.

The Bad: They do not make available the amount retained in the promotional prize pool at any given time. The NIGC rules on this point are not clear, as their rules only state that progressive prize pools must be posted. The promotional prize pool does not pay out progressive prizes, so technically doesn't fall under this rule. It would be better if they posted the amount in this pool as well, but at least they are promising that all of it goes back to the players.

The Ugly: The way I am reading the posted rules, it seems that all poker rewards, including points per hour which pay out for on-site purchases (restaurants, stores) come out of the jackpot drop. So don't think that the room is paying back any of the rake in comps - it is coming from your jackpot drop.

Unless I hear reports of violations of these new rules, I consider this file closed. I hope players benefit from the new clarity and procedures.

Also of note, it is up to players to police the jackpot drop and make sure they don't take it for pots under $10. There is no excuse now for a dealer not to do it right.
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04-06-2013 , 11:51 PM
kudos to you PX, you know I've given you credit in other threads...no one can police the Tribe until there is real competition but you've done the best job of all...
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04-07-2013 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
The Ugly: The way I am reading the posted rules, it seems that all poker rewards, including points per hour which pay out for on-site purchases (restaurants, stores) come out of the jackpot drop. So don't think that the room is paying back any of the rake in comps - it is coming from your jackpot drop.
I always assumed this. Dunno why it would be any other way.
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04-07-2013 , 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by BirdofPrey
kudos to you PX, you know I've given you credit in other threads...no one can police the Tribe until there is real competition but you've done the best job of all...
My pleasure!

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Originally Posted by AlexM
I always assumed this. Dunno why it would be any other way.
The traditional jackpot drop paradigm (e.g., Las Vegas) is to put all jackpot drop funds into the progressive jackpot prizes. Casino comps wouldn't come out of the drop, but rather paid from casino operational funds (i.e., rake). If fact, I don't know if you find anywhere in the world other than the Seminole Florida cardrooms where poker comps are paid out from the poker jackpot drop. The FL pari-mutuel cardrooms are required to use any jackpot drop only for jackpot prizes, by FL law and regulations.

Last edited by PokerXanadu; 04-07-2013 at 03:57 AM.
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04-07-2013 , 04:20 AM
Great job PX. This worries me a little, though:

2. Poker Marketing promotion funds will be used for trip give-away, car drawings, and/or other Poker marketing promotions, including poker rewards, where the funds are available to all Poker Players via said promotion.

The only trip/car give aways have been the ones in the main casino room that they have every week. They are open to anyone who swipes their player club card, so technically they could be available for any poker player, but also available to non poker players. Hope this doesn't mean that some of the poker drop will go to offsetting the costs of the main casino promos. That would suck.

It just seems odd that they would use those two examples of the types of prizes given to poker players, since they've never had those types before, and especially since "car drawings" don't even have anything to do with poker (i.e. high hand, etc). Could be as you said that bigger prizes are on their way. But still just seems like strange wording. I hope this doesn't mean they've been siphoning off the poker fund for this all along, and now they have to cover their ass.
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04-07-2013 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Great job PX. This worries me a little, though:

2. Poker Marketing promotion funds will be used for trip give-away, car drawings, and/or other Poker marketing promotions, including poker rewards, where the funds are available to all Poker Players via said promotion.

The only trip/car give aways have been the ones in the main casino room that they have every week. They are open to anyone who swipes their player club card, so technically they could be available for any poker player, but also available to non poker players. Hope this doesn't mean that some of the poker drop will go to offsetting the costs of the main casino promos. That would suck.

It just seems odd that they would use those two examples of the types of prizes given to poker players, since they've never had those types before, and especially since "car drawings" don't even have anything to do with poker (i.e. high hand, etc). Could be as you said that bigger prizes are on their way. But still just seems like strange wording. I hope this doesn't mean they've been siphoning off the poker fund for this all along, and now they have to cover their ass.
Good catch. I'll see if I can find anything out about that next time I'm there. Or, if you get a chance, maybe you can ask a room manager if that's what that verbiage means.
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04-07-2013 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Great job PX. This worries me a little, though:

2. Poker Marketing promotion funds will be used for trip give-away, car drawings, and/or other Poker marketing promotions, including poker rewards, where the funds are available to all Poker Players via said promotion.

The only trip/car give aways have been the ones in the main casino room that they have every week. They are open to anyone who swipes their player club card, so technically they could be available for any poker player, but also available to non poker players. Hope this doesn't mean that some of the poker drop will go to offsetting the costs of the main casino promos. That would suck.

It just seems odd that they would use those two examples of the types of prizes given to poker players, since they've never had those types before, and especially since "car drawings" don't even have anything to do with poker (i.e. high hand, etc). Could be as you said that bigger prizes are on their way. But still just seems like strange wording. I hope this doesn't mean they've been siphoning off the poker fund for this all along, and now they have to cover their ass.
As a poker player you are "available" to win cars/trips etc... in the casino. If I read that correctly, it is exactly that.

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04-07-2013 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
The traditional jackpot drop paradigm (e.g., Las Vegas) is to put all jackpot drop funds into the progressive jackpot prizes. Casino comps wouldn't come out of the drop, but rather paid from casino operational funds (i.e., rake). If fact, I don't know if you find anywhere in the world other than the Seminole Florida cardrooms where poker comps are paid out from the poker jackpot drop. The FL pari-mutuel cardrooms are required to use any jackpot drop only for jackpot prizes, by FL law and regulations.
I get that, but given that they can do it, it seemed obvious that they would.
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04-07-2013 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by andymalman
As a poker player you are "available" to win cars/trips etc... in the casino. If I read that correctly, it is exactly that.
The saving grace is the bolded:
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2. Poker Marketing promotion funds will be used for trip give-away, car drawings, and/or other Poker marketing promotions, including poker rewards, where the funds are available to all Poker Players via said promotion.
implying that the pertinent trip and car prizes are Poker marketing promotions. Of course, that may just be deceptive wording. It needs to be checked out.
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04-07-2013 , 11:33 AM
Anyone interested in trying for a 4/8 FLO/8 game today?
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