It takes a much longer time commitment to get a decent ROI from tournaments than from cash games as you bust out of the money more often than in (but the tournament ROI can be much higher in the long run than from cash games). Your plan seems like a good idea for you, since you can only play a very limited tournament schedule.

Your ROI is your ROI and it won't change no matter how many tourneys you play (assuming unchanged skill) - there's just a sick amount of variance involved so the luck factor plays a huge role in tourneys. Just depends on whether you want to open yourself up to the variance, tourneys have so much variance that you'll never be able to play enough of them to reach your true long term ROI - sucks but its true when playing live.
As bad as some of the cash players are, players make far worse plays in tourneys imo, the only problem being the variance of course. You could win a 9 handed all in on the very 1st hand of the tourney and still not even be at the average stack when reaching the money.

Some thoughts on this (from a tournament noob)

Suppose I win the WSOP ME next year, and then perform terribly at small time tourneys for a couple years. What numbers would you use to calculate my ROI? Wouldn't it be through the roof forever, basically? If I lived to be infinity, maybe your argument would work, but maybe it wouldn't as it is a different game and I may play much better (or much worse) in tourneys than cash. So after living infinity years, surely my ROI could be higher in one game than the other. It's not the same game, afterall. No?

They just updated the bravo app to include waiting lists, promo info, and tournament info.

Good info. thanks Ron. LOL Silks with a whole 2 active tables, THR with 23.

thx for the link. whats with all the wpt tournaments at hard rock being rebuys?

Over X amount of hands playing cash games you reach a sample size where you can say with x% accuracy that you are making $X / Hour. The sample size needed in order to navigate to the mean of your long term ROI in tourneys is so high that you may never actually play enough to reach it within your life. The larger the size of the tourney the greater the variance. If you flip a coin a million times it is going to come up with pretty much 50-50 heads tails. If you play a million tourneys your ROI will probably reflect your actual ROI since the sample size is so large. The problem however is that playing 2 tourneys a week for 5 years straight only gets you to 500 tourneys, and unfortunately that's not even close to the sample size needed to calculate your long term ROI, when factoring in the insane amount of variance involved.

Of course that just means you can run way above your ROI or way below your ROI for very long periods of time in tourneys. Opening yourself up to sick variance in a game that you have an edge in is not a bad thing at all, as long as you realize the variance you're dealing with.

They are re-entry which is worse because you get hit with the House fee and dealer add-on all over again. But its only the 1st 4 levels.

Which is sad when Silk's is 10x better place to play in all reality.

Is it? I definitely consider HR to be better than Derby.

Played a few hours tonight at table 36 and believe I sat with a few people who frequent this thread? I was the guy in seat 10 trying to get unstuck.

Will the tournament Saturday morning get me any WPT dollars?

You only earn $3/hour bonus WPT money playing cash games.

Thx Ron. Guess I'll just have to ship it then crush the series! U playing on sat?

No, I don't play any of the regular daily tournaments. If I did, that would be a good one because there is usually 100 players or so vs very small fields on the rest.
I will most likely be there Saturday tho if thats what you're asking.

Silks is at Tampa Bay Downs.

Sept. promo is Gas Cards...yes?

Interesting situation at my table last night. Hand is dealt and there are a couple of limpers and then a PF raise in MP, I re raise in the CO everyone folds and original raiser flats my 3 bet. Flop is JhTh3h, I have AhQh for nfd + redraw to the royal. Guy who called checks, I c-bet and as the other guy is starting to call my bet the player to his immediate right says that he must put down his phone (which he is holding) and turn it off. The guy in the hand with me looks at the other player and says "what do you mean"?

Player who made comment said something like you need to put down your phone and maybe he said you have to shut it off. The guy in the pot with me has an iPhone and has ear buds in both ears and is obviously listening to music. The other player again tells him he needs to put down his phone but this time adds that the guy in the hand with me "could be entering his hands into his phone as he plays". He didn't mean this as though he was entering hands to keep a record of his play, the insinuation was that he was entering hands to be able to use an electronic device for aid in playing the hand. This sets off a commotion at the table as the guy with the iPhone gets pissed and tells the other player that he doesn't need to do anything and he tells him that he should stay out of it especially since he isn't even in the hand. The other player now says again you might be entering hands in your phone, and adds "I am worried about the bad beat"! LOL

I'm getting a little impatient because I have the nuts and this other player is totally distracting the guy. I say to the the other player (who is not in hand) that the guy in the hand is just listening to music and this is allowed and to move on. Dealer tries to interject but the other player is adamant that this guy can't be using his phone in any way shape or form during the hand and he keeps saying he is "worried about the bad beat". Supervisor gets called and since they were busy having a supervisors' conference in the front of the room it took a while for one of them to respond (actually two responded after the conference broke, lol).

By now the guy in the hand is so pissed he can't even think and just mucks his hand after I make a river bet and there are some angry words going back and forth between him and the player who made the comment.

Supervisors tell the player who is so "worried" about the bad beat that as the player in the hand is not talking on his phone then listening to music is allowed. Although I was irritated that this was somewhat of an action killer I found it amusing that this guy was so worked up and worried about the bad beat and accuses a guy who is obviously doing nothing but listening to music of using his phone to cheat, lol.

Bad beat is causing chaos!

I was speaking from a players perspective, players are more respected at Silk's by a mile IMO. The fish tank is def. at the Rock though.

From 2/5 game:

Normal Player raises the button straddle to $40 from EP. Idiot in MP calls. Button straddler (also a fool) 3-bets to $150. Normal Player calls. MP Idiot calls.

Flop: 9-7-5 rainbow. Normal Player bets $200 (leaves him $550 behind). MP Idiot calls (leaves him $300 behind). Button Fool shoves (covers both). Normal Player folds. MP Idiot calls.

The hands are: Normal Player: pocket 10's. MP Idiot: A9 offsuit. Button Fool: pocket 6's. Result: 8 on the river fills gutshot, $1650 shipped to Button Fool. Standard.

Incidentally, this was at noon, and no alcohol was involved. Just good, clean, Florida poker.

STANDARD. lol

decent fold from Normal, but i would rage tilt when these hands got tables

Anyone know the average turnout for tonight's deep stack event?

Imo the guy not involved in the hand making a stink is totally out of line and I would have been pretty pissed off if I was in your spot.

Also - that 2-5 hand is lol ridiculous ...ly standard at the tampa Hard rock

40-50. Probably on the higher end tonight. Usually runs until 2-3