Any one coming from the land o lakes area going to the HR today or tomorrow , Was wondering if I could hitch a ride and would be more then happy to pay gas money. thanks let me know

For those of you minbet donks, there are currently 5 names on the list for 20/40 LHE. And there's a 10/20 LHE game going. Seems like 10/20 nl will run tonight as there are already like 5 or 6 names on that list.

Hey buck can you tell us how many 1-3, 2-5 and 5-10 games are running, also anything bigger than 5-10


And are you going to be there tomorrow? 2p2 mini meet up and drinks?

Currently 4 1/3, 7 2/5, 4 5/10.

Nothing bigger than 5/10. And yes, I'll be here all weekend.

One of the regulars should really try to make the poker room management aware of this thread. They have tried to make some changes to get them on par with Vegas poker rooms but still have a long way to go. Maybe if they viewed this thread it would help.

This sounds like what happened at the table I was at last Saturday. The terribad blonde older dealer pulled in the bets, and was a dollar short. It then became a Sherlock Holmes chapter on trying to figure out where the dollar went. The gentlemen to my left says...." Here is a dollar for christ sakes, just deal this hand and get the game moving for the love of god."

Gah. Of course I can't get over there until tomorrow. Maybe it will still be running or get up again tomorrow night.

I finally got to play some 10/20 lhe tonight. The game ran from about 3 to 9 before it broke. 10/20 LO8 was still running strong when I left about half an hour ago.

Me and Sennz will be there in an hour or 2, Ill be playing 1-3 and I think he plays 2-5/ 5-10 , Ill update what table im @ when I arrive

Can anyone there comment on the action and selection of tables/limits


-sh!p!t

A lot of the action seems to be at 2/5 in my experience. The 1/3 is somewhat nitty.

Just got here. Waiting for a 5/10 seat. No 10/20 running as usual

10/20 lhe got running again last night. I played it from the time it opened around 6 until it broke around 10. Seems to be the same core group of 3 guys trying to get it going every night. Played 5-6 handed about half the time it was running with a couple nlhe players sitting in for a few orbits while they waited for a seat to open up in the 5/10nl game. It seems like there's some demand for higher limit games as over the past few days I've heard about half a dozen different people in that game suggest raising the stakes to 20/40.

Also, this may be old news (and was probably already posted in this very thread) but when one of the players at my table complained about how one dealer was raking $3 out of the pot every time he stole the blinds while the last dealer had done nfnd, the dealer said that the reason it's being inconsistently applied at HR is because the rules manual that management had the dealers study specifically stated that the pot would not be raked if there is no flop but the tribe voted down nfnd last minute. A couple other dealers confirmed this story. Personally I think some dealers are just being willfully ignorant until they're corrected by a manager so that they can get more tips in the bigger games. I mean, if I open the pot and the blinds fold, I'll tip $1 if you give me all $15, but I wont tip if you only give me $12.

I as there, but was stuck in the 2/5NL and said to myself I will move to the 10/20 when I get unstuck, that came around about 10:30ish and it was broke.

I stayed until 2ish, worst table on the planet, booked a monster $3 win for 9 hours of play.


So here is the chief complaint..........I can't stress enough how this room management has to be a bunch of brain dead droolers. They have the Bravo system which should make it faster than ever to fill games.

I realize its a new system, but the things I was still seeing yesterday is ridiculous.

I waited for 30 minutes on a list 8ish deep when there was at least 6 open seats the whole time at the 2/5NL as I waited.

I watched them insta-seat at least 5 regs over the wait list. Which made two guys who were also waiting with me leave.

I sat at a table that had 3 open seats for over 30 minutes they claimed. We lost one player and the table kept 3 open seats for over a hour with a wait list staying a solid 8 deep.

The table finally complained when a 4th got up to leave and it went to 5 handed. The brush tells us to keep playing, just as a needle I ask for a rake reduction even though I know they don't do it. He says he will have the game filled in no time, he does since there is a big list for it. Isn't this what the Bravo system is for?

I didn't have one nfnd dealer the whole time, most dealers were pretty good, including one exceptional female who is probably the best I have ever seen out there.

ADD: Last steamer I just remembered, we had a brush come swipe in friend/regular when there was a list and lock up a seat for him, stick his players card in the rail and leave. 30 minutes the seat is locked up, before a few of us finally complain and the open the seat back up to be filled.

Cant say I see much of a difference at all at 2/5, lots of short stacking shove monkeys still. Lots of new faces, obviously young internet players that dont understand the differences of the live game, dont understand the concept of chopping and get easily tilted. I sat to the left of one who I was getting pretty tired of saying how pissed off he was that people were buying in for the table minimum. He kept rebuying to the table max over and over (like it was online) and the dealers were getting pretty pissed off. After about the 20th time he mentioned about the short stackers I had enough and told him to just keep his mouth shut about that and that it is the prerogative of the player to buy in what they want. He went on tilt, blew his $600 in about 10 hands and then announces he was "going home to play online where he can play against 100BB stacks".

I bet this guy is a winner online, lol

So far the new limits are just like I thought it would be, except worse. I didnt think this was gonna be some huge poker boom like a lot of you said it would be. But to the contrary, it's worse and I feel bad for some of the rooms that spent a lot of money preparing for this, as they are losing their ass. Even at THR, Fri and Sat night, they dont have all tables full at 10pm. I think most poker rooms are going to be hard pressed to stay open 24 hours on weekends. I just dont think they will be able to run enough tables to justify the expense.

And to the others who mentioned about the bravo system, they are having issues filling tables, I dont understand why. And dealers STILL cannot get fills in a reasonable amount of time.

So in closing:

1. LoL at anyone moving to Florida to play poker
2. LoL at all the internet people "crushing" the live games. I have seen zero evidence of this. Maybe it's happening at 10/25, who knows, but I doubt it. I dont see any young players at those games when I walk by them, when they are even running.
3. LoL at the THR for continuing to mismanage their poker room.

I am glad you are giving us your opinion on things but I think it is too early to judge. And even if it isn't, why come on here and make it a less than diserable thing to come to Florida to play. It is like the media when they constantly talked about the mortgage crisis, they only made it worse.

You obviously blew up at the online kid for talking trash to the min. buy-in donks because you still wanted to make sure it was a desirable experience for the fish, so they continue to reload and spew chips to you... this is kind of the same situation, only it is making it desirable for tourists.

We need to encourage tourists to come Florida to hopefully make it into the game we want. Only positivity will make that happen. If not we will be stuck with these min. buy-in monkeys.

I am not bashing you, just trying to make sure you realize that these forums are a powerful means of making Florida poker better or worse, let's not make it worse... especially so early on in the game.

Funniest thing I've heard at the tables since July 1st was this grumpy old man at the 3/6 lo8 game I was playing yesterday while waiting for the lhe game to get started. He didn't really understand the concept of a kill pot so he had this look like he was getting ripped off when the dealer told him he had to post $6 and every time the action was on him he kept asking the dealer why he had to call $12 when it was a 3/6 game. At showdown when the dealer started chopping up the pot he got upset because he couldn't figure out why he was getting quartered. He thought he had the low to himself because he didn't understand that A23 and A35 are the same hand on a 2578x board. So after the dealer and a few "helpful" players at the table spend a few minutes explaining the rules of omaha to him he literally pounds his fist on the table and says, "ever since they jacked up the prices in this place I can't figure out what the hell's going on." Needless to say, he racked up his chips and left at that point, probably to play some slots.

I've played at THR the past 2 weekends on both Fri & Sat nights, and I haven't seen more than 3 or 4 empty tables at any given time between the hours of 8pm - 1am. I actually find this to be pretty impressive for a room that has 50 tables and that is so poorly operated!

The big rooms in Vegas struggle to keep their poker rooms full on weekends nights throughout the year. Only during the WSOP does the action pickup in Vegas poker rooms. So with that being said I think 46 to 50 tables consistently running on weekend nights at a Hard Rock in Tampa, FL, during the running of the WSOP Main Event that is going on in Vegas at the same time isn't too bad of a turnout!

I agree with yankee grinder, I believe it is a little too early to gauge the amount of business the Florida poker rooms are going to do on a regular basis. I believe that we will need a couple months of play after the WSOP is over to get a better idea of what kind of business poker rooms in Florida will do regularly, also like any other industry in Florida, season has to be taken into account. Ideally poker rooms should pickup in business during the winter months when the "snowbirds" are here, but we will also have to wait and see how that plays out when the time comes.

Another thing to think about is that unlike Florida, other states & regions of the US have their own identity poker wise that they have developed over time. For instance out West they primarily play Limit Holdem & Mixed Limit games, in the Midwest for the most part PLO has become the game of choice, and in the Northeast they play Limit games like Stud & Holdem. These regions have popularized their respective games of choice though years of playing them. So due to the previous restrictions in the laws, Florida has been unable to create it's own poker identity! Right now if we were to identify Florida poker it would be known for Low Limit games & Short Stacking and this is all due to the previous laws that were in places for years!

THR poker room was almost full sat nite with some decent waiting lists at 10pm. Managed to even get a 2 5 plo game going that vascillated between 6 to full. 4 of which were from out of state. Fri late afternoon managed to get a 1 2 plo game going there as well.

played for a couple of hours in a 25-50 Heads Up PLO/No Limit Holdem game Last night. WIsh we could get that type of game going more often it could be really good. Its seriously worth it if you wanna take a shot the two times there has been 10-20 40 on the btn 3 handed and 25-50 no limit/plo mix its been a goood game would be fun to gamble big while the games are good for awhile(if they run)

The rake is a joke, and makes the time rake games so much better!

it really is, and it tilts me that when i'm playing 5/10/20 with some of the regulars they dont wanna just play 10/20 instead cuz they think time rake is more expensive...

anyways i'd love to play some 10/20 PLO/NL HU or if we could get a table of it going that would be sweet too, pm me if you wanna try setting something up or whatever...

I agree that the comment was completely unprofessional, but how many hands should a dealer get out in 30 minutes in your opinion. 18 isn't a bad # for a single down.

i am generally way more inclined to play just 5-10 -25-50 nl holdem. Probably prefer that, it was a PLO game based off his request. I play it pretty much only if i have to to get the game going. It is kinda slow live, but it was fun to mix in

It seems like everyone live hates shorthanded. WIth a little encouragement people will play it with you. Even if there was a 5-6 handed 10-20/25 game running for no limit it would make things so much better, it would be a really good game if it ran. IT just takes 2-4 to start is usually with a little bit of patience

Sevens-Saw you playing the older guy HU in a HO game the other night, stack size's were sickk, just wondering how ya did? and how long he could stand the HU pressure and aggression from you?