They just posted next months promotions... same exact crappy ones as this month,... $300 high hand's only $555 on Tues-Thur instead of the $777 they were doing and the same 1-50 in hours... and don't even see anything about the drawings, so maybe the finally got rid of it.. and replaced it with...Nothing. lol

Kind of sad they just don't listen or care what any of the players want in any way, shape or form. Players and dealers have been complaining about how bad these promotions are for the last month and a half. Really wish they'd hire someone who would actually listen to what the players want for once. It really wouldn't take much to make the room great and just spread the money around the way the players want it. I'd much rather have the high hand capped at $100,000 and fun promos/high hands that draw people in.....

2/5 is a nit parade

Everything has been a nit parade lately. The fish are staying home with these terrible promos and it's just grinders, grinding out to try and get as many ours as possible to crack the top 50.

Sounds like my daytime games during the entire 7 month non snowbird season. Its the perfect time to start practicing LAG play. For the most part you can run them over but also force yourself to become a better post flop player by putting yourself in lots of marginal situations which are +EV once you get good at it.

You will be playing twice as many pots that get past the flop which means twice as many opportunities to make money if you get good at it.

Dont be like every other reg who sits around complaining about the nits and there being no action. Dont complain about the problem. Find the solution. I dont mean YOU specifically. I hear the same things all day long in my room.

Playing more LAG is my solution but my winrate still goes down. It's simply not as profitable playing with a bunch of break even nits compared to a table with LP or LAG fish. Yeah I know the exploitative adjustments for playing with nits but I also know them for every other type of player and it's just less profitable exploiting nits IME.

I don't complain at the table and think it's a bad idea generally. You don't want everyone knowing you know what a nit is or that you're displeased with the table (unless we feign displeasure for some deceptive reason).

So...I kind of agree with you but "play more LAG" is just a partial solution for bad tables. Creating promos that reduce the number of bad tables is a better solution, for the house also. After all they get more rake from action tables.

In a 2/5 game, it really doesnt take much action at all to max out the rake. If there's a standard $20 raise and one call, you have a $47 pot and the rake is just about maxed out already.

You are right, but the 2/5 at SHRT is so bad lately most hands are just some guy raising to 15 and everyone folding. In this case they take 2 dollars vs. 7. Most of the rest are 3 limps and somebody takes it on the flop (3 dollars rake) or a raise to 15 and 1 caller and someone takes it down on the flop (5 dollars rake).

This is bad for the players, the casino, and the dealers. There were two nits at my last table just trying to put in hours and only playing super premium hands and folding post flop anything but the nuts. Saw one guy fold top set to a turn raise because the turn brought a 3 straight, even though he had odds to draw to a boat. Obviously I opened light when these guys were in the blinds and bluffed then when I managed to get HU with them but that only happened a couple times with how tight they were.

I managed to make some money just upping my aggression but still much less profitable than playing with proper fish.

I see the October promos are the same, but they dropped the drawing finally and replaced it with...nothing. It appears they're just trying to build up funds for the BBJ but what the director doesn't seem to realize is when the room is at half capacity with everyone nitting it up they bring in maybe half as much rake as they typically would. I just hope after October proves another terrible month they fire this idiot.

HHs and *good* hourly promos bring in rec players, not BBJs, unless the BBJ gets enormous. Which it never will here since it's capped at 300k.

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Very well said.

THR has had the worst 2/5 in the country for a very long time now. It has also had the most incompetent management in the entire country.

That's so weird because in S. Florida the HR is where all the action is and the Isle is nitsville.

I think the Isle could go toe to toe with Tampa HR in a battle of the nits though. Its hard for me to believe any place is nittier. At least daytime weekday games.

Yeah, but look at the October promos for Hollywood by comparison.

Sunday to Thursday 1030AM to 2AM

500 dollars every 30 minutes

Friday to Saturday 1230PM to 12 AM

1000 dollars every 30 minutes

Theres also some special HH promos on specific days and other promos I haven't seen before

http://www.seminolehardrockpokeropen.com

It's a lot better than Tampa with their 300 dollar HH on Monday Wednesday Friday Saturday.

Oh, and during what's normally peak hours, 545 to 845 on Friday and Saturday, there is NO HIGH HAND AT ALL. Just brilliant, SHRT.

It's like the director thinks there is no point in having high hands if people are there anyway. Sounds reasonable but it isn't, because even during peak hours the room is not full and would benefit from better HH promos. Plus people show up, realize the HH promo is garbage and leave early.

Worst of all it changes how the recs play (and to a lesser extent the weak regs). When the HH is 1k not only are there more recs, but the recs play far more trashy hands trying to win the 1k. Nobody much cares about winning 300 bucks in a 2/5 game and you don't see people calling big raises with hands like 73s or J2s much these days.

http://www.shrtpoker.com

No surprise if Hollywood gets more action because their director is not braindead.

Still, I have no idea what's the worst in the country. I've actually found SHRT 2/5 pretty good with lots of weak rec players up until August. But recently it is like a totally different room, with just a bunch of depressing nits grinding it out at half the usual number of tables.

Isle likely *was* more nitty (from what you've told me), but right now it is pretty hard to beat SHRT on that front. Even during peak hours it's a nitfest.

I dont doubt you at all. I can see how those "grind your life away" promos would bring in the nittiest of players who wont play anything but premiums....which is anything but the highest EV way to play. The nits in my room are lucky to make a couple BBs/hr.

I've tried to hold my tongue, but this complaining is getting ridiculous. Sure, the games haven't been the best lately compared to the best of times, but they have certainly been playable. Worst 2/5 in the country? Give me a break. You guys remind me of GG in the winrate thread which seem to thing that the games are terrible just because there aren't absolute droolers just giving away stacks. Sure, I appreciate a gift just as much as the next guy, but goddamn, it isnt the worst thing in the world if we actually have to play poker once in a while.

Moreover, some of what I have seen reported is just factually wrong compared to my experience. The situations where I've been at a table where some raises to 15 and everyone folds all night has been a rarity. Somehow I seemed to miss all of these extremely nitty games, and I played 200 hours this month. On a side note you guys are right about the lame ass promos.

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I can only report my experience and it is not factually inaccurate. Maybe I ran bad with tables, but from the number of people commenting on it my guess is it's more likely you ran good with tables.

Worst 2/5 in the country obviously a gross exaggeration.

You can't deny there are serious effects on winrate from reducing the number of tables. It's not really a valid argument to me we should be happy because the games are beatable when they were 50% more beatable less than two months ago. The key to poker success is never being satisfied with one's winnings. A key anyway. Always want more. In that vein, if there are adjustments in the promo structure that can make me win less money I'm going to complain about it. This is the SHRT thread and there's not much else to talk about right now.

So 200 hours? Did you make the top 50? I'm curious what the cutoff was

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Pretty much this. Granted much of the complaining was directed at 2/5 which I haven't been playing. But still the whole room sucks talk is there as well. For me playing 1/2 I've transferred to a different table MAYBE once on average per session and don't see it the same way. I've also never been a serial transferrer anyway and usually just wait it out and adjust accordingly. But sometimes yes you get nitfest high hand droolers and have no choice. I've logged about 300 hrs the last 3 months at just over $20 p/hr. Always noise in small samples but if it's as bad as everyone makes it out to be (nitfest) regardless of running like a god or not that's probably not doable. Again 1/2 can have anywhere from 6-14 tables going worst-peak times so I get it's different than 2-5 where it might be 3-5 tables. But I doubt there are more nit droolers for high hands at 2/5 than 1/2. I could be wrong.

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Did you guys hear about the new weekly Bad Beat promo that's going to be run every Wednesday?

It's not clear how its going to be funded yet so I don't know how much the pool will be. Starting at noon and ending at midnight on Wednesdays, the first person to make aces full of kings (with two aces in their hand) will win it. If no one hits it, it rolls over to the next Wednesday and it drops to aces full of queens (with two aces in their hand) ....aces full of kings will also win it.

Not sure when it's starting but I was told this month....even though they didn't advertise it.


Also, after the main Bad Beat gets hit, they are changing the minimum requirement from quad jacks to a straight flush. Then it will drop every month...which would be quad aces the next month and so on. It will stop at quad sevens. I also heard they are uncapping it.

I was there Monday and definitely did not hear about either. Will be there tmrw so I guess we'll see if that Wednesday bad beat has started. Weird if they don't advertise it though how would it be.



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The first idea of a BBJ every Wednesday seems terrible. Maybe if they make it really small it will be okay but IDK if that would attract more players than an equivalent monetary investment of high hands. Maybe...I'm all for trying new things out but if it doesn't increase traffic much they need to kill it quickly rather than let it go on for six months which is what they typically do with bad promos.

Second idea seems better. Maybe a decent way to prevent the promo funds from getting drained, while uncapping the BBJ could eventually bring in tons of traffic even if the requirement to hit it is ridiculously high, since most recs just see the dollar amount and are clueless about the odds of making straight flush over straight flush with both cards playing.

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As a side note, the 1/2 is not really comparable to the 2/5. Almost everyone playing 1/2 sucks. And if you get a bad table there is always a good one if you just look around. When there are 4 or 5 2/5 going one might be a little better but often they are all pretty nitty and reg infested. That's the end of my complaining on this matter. I hope traffic picks up soon.

Anybody know what the hourly cutoff was for top 50 last month? My guess was it would be around 175. Is that close?

I believe the cutoff was around 136 hours. I was in 9th with 5 days to go with 159. I didn't play the last 5 days and ended up 22nd.

Fun fact: You had 24 hours to collect your $1k (from the hours promotion) after the 30th or you don't get it.

7 people didn't collect and will be told they're too late. It was in the fine print. Pretty ****ty, but this is the rule for all hours promotions there.

I was wondering how they would handle the payments since when the rankings are determined at midnight on the 1st a lot of people might not be there...so how do you even know if you made top 50? You have to call in or they call you or what? Or is it displayed on that kiosk in the lobby?

As for fine print I don't remember seeing that anything about how to collect in the September pamphlet and I typically read the fine print. Possible I missed it.

That actually sounds like a pretty good promo to me. $1000 cash and all you have to do is play a bunch of hours? Apparently 136+ hours got you $1000? That's over $7/hr

Even though Im sure there was an extra supply of nits playing this promo, there's no way extra nits are going to hurt your win rate all that much.

Play a few extra hours to get into the 140 range. Increase your preflop raise % and your post flop aggression to run the nits over and you should do very very well.

For those of you complaining about the $2/5 game: PM me a picture of yourself and I will provide feedback on what you can do to make the $2/5 games better.

Its at the front desk and you just have to ask for it. They actually posted it twice on the last day. Once at 10am and once at 6pm.

Funny. I actually told you who I am nine months ago remember?

So tell me what I can do to make the games better.

Smile more, force yourself to tell a joke occasionally. Don't think we have enough hours together to say how good/bad you are for the game.

For someone encouraging friendliness it might be polite to actually reciprocate and introduce yourself, but what do I know, I don't smile enough.