(5500 - 4900) * 2

"Oh damn I didn't take advanced calculus guys I'm gonna need some help here."

I've definitely had some hands where I won the side pot and lost the main but got back way less than I'm supposed to. I always do the math myself now.

Some dealers are quite good at PLO others very slow. It helps that most players just bet the pot which makes the math easier. When they don't it can slow down a bit.

Can somebody break down what the official rake is at 2/5? Like when do they not take the drop? Sometimes I blind steal and get back 7. Less often I blind steal and get back 5. I don't think they're supposed to take the drop on uncalled bets preflop but I can't find the official rake/drop rules anywhere.

I know the % is 1 dollar per 10 in pot capped at 5 dollars (but a bet has to be called presumably or two people limp). And preflop they will take the drop and additional rake if there is like a bet / 3 bet / fold. I'm not sure what happens when there are several limps, I raise, and everyone folds. And if I open raise and everyone folds pretty sure it's no drop...

From what I gathered last time they put all of the new dealers in to deal the Little Slick, even when very deep into day 2. I will not play a single tournament there again until that changes. I almost had myself convinced to go play the $570 tonight since I had time, but not worth the BS.

They always take a minimum drop of $1 per hand no matter what. There is no "no flop no drop" rule in effect. So if you raise to 20 in 2/5, and the blinds fold, the amount calculated for the rake is 2+5+5 (the blinds plus the part of your 20 that called the blinds. So the rake should be 1 to the rake and 1 to the jackpot drop(that kicks in at 10). So if you pull back your 20, You would get 5 back. When you get 7 back it is because some dealers give the player a break and don't want to take the time to break the 2 small blind into dollar chips for the rake so they just push the blinds to the player. When I have a dealer do that I usually tip him 1 dollar as he is giving me a 2 dollar break anyway.

They don't take the rake on uncalled bets. But when you raise, the amount that is the call amount is part of the rake. Also, they round up at the 5s for rake, so at 15 it's 2 rake, and so on until at 45 you hit the max 5 rake.

Thanks. Not sure I understand the last paragraph. They don't rake uncalled bets but they count the amount of the bet in calculating the rake? Seems like the same thing...

I'm actually at SHRT right now. I've had three opens where blinds folded and I opened to 15 in 1 and 20 in the others. I don't remember which was which but i got back 7 twice and 6 once. But seems like even open to 15 gets it to 22? Or they only count the 15?

If you open raise preflop to 15 total, you are actually calling the 5 blind bet, and then raising an additional 10. So the first 5 that calls the blind is raked, but if everyone folds to your raise, then the 10 you raised is not raked, as no one called it. The total amount raked is 12; the 2 and 5 blinds, and the 5 of your 15 that called the blind. The "uncalled" 10 that you raised is not raked. So on a 12 rakeable amount the rake is 1 for the rake and 1 for the jackpot drop. So the dealer should take a total of 2 from the blinds, leaving you with 5.

It doesn't matter what the size of your raise is. You could raise to 10, 20, or 100 and the rake would not change if no one calls your raise. Only the 5 that you called the blinds with gets raked.

There is no way you should get 7 back if you raise and the blinds fold, as that would mean no rake was taken at all, and there is no option for that under their rake rules. But as I mentioned before, some dealers know they should take the rake but don't bother. And as others have mentioned, there are a ton of new dealers that probably just haven't thought about how the rules should be applied and screw it up (although to the players advantage).

Okay, thanks, I think I understand now. The dealers are totally doing this randomly though. Friday and Saturday I asked various dealers about the rake preflop in this exact situation. One guy who took 2 just said "Gotta take the drop" and didn't really elaborate when I asked. Only one dealer (an older white woman) gave me a thorough response that made any sense and she said the correct rake amount in this situation of betting and everyone folding is 1 (which apparently is still wrong lol). Statistically it seems like about 20% of dealers take 2, 50% take 1, and 30% take 0. And 0% can explain the rake policy accurately and comprehensibly.

The ones who take 0 I've started giving back 1 in tip. I guess I should tip the ones who "just" take 1 but that's still insane rake by my book...

Yeah, with so many new dealers its not surprising that you get different answers. Of course if you are playing 1/2 nl it would just be 1 because the 2+1+2 is less than 10 and they dont take the jackpot drop until 10.

FWIW it was not just the new dealers dealing the tourney yesterday for the final day of the $570. There was a regular rotation with plenty of regular dealers. Not sure what the Turbo was like.

I am a degen so clearly could not stay away from the Rock haha, was very pleased with how much better things were this time around. I played the $570 Saturday and Sunday and both days the better dealers were at the table. Played the $350 yesterday and also had the better dealers, hopefully that will continue and isn't just because they are WPT events.

Have to say swiping into the Bravo to play tournaments is 1 of many dumb policies I've seen implemented here over the last 6 months. We get nothing for it and there's almost 0 purpose behind it.

The dealers don't want to have to do it and the floors handling the tournament think it's stupid (I asked multiple).

Someone had the bright idea that if players are swiped in then the tournament floors would be able to see on the computer which tables need balancing. Floors are rarely at the computer during a tournament, they're usually walking around handling floor calls, fielding random questions, collecting seat cards, getting chips ready for race offs, etc.

If you are so adamant about seeing how many players are at the tables on the CPU screen, put everyone in as a GUEST and when someone gets knocked out, take them out of the ****ing Bravo! The amount of time I've seen dealers fumbling to swipe players into the correct seat is absurd. God forbid a table breaks and 3-4 new players come to a table at once.

They've gotten really aggressive about making everyone have a player's card and being swiped in in general. I'm worried this might discourage fish from playing here. Might also be others who for whatever reason aren't carrying acceptable forms of ID. You can't even play cash games as a guest, they demand a player's card and if you don't have one demand a driver's license so they can make one, and if you don't have that you can't play. Until maybe a month ago they never ID'd me, now it's every day.

As bad as the dealers have been, the new people in the cage seem to be equally as bad. I was cashing out the other night after a long session, and brought the chips to the counter (hit a high hand, on top of having a lot of chips from the game, so almost stupidly, never did an exact count before bringing it up, which I normally do) but just headed up to the cage and the guy counted out quick, told me the amount, I almost didn't say anything, but thought about it for another few seconds and was like "That seems low" he counted again and was said all the amounts again.. then realized he counted the chips out correctly, but added them all together wrong and was $100 short the first time (The other people in the cage were like "Use a calculator next time" and he said "I don't like too") lol So yeah, make sure you count your chips next time you head up, should be common knowledge I guess, but lord knows after some long sessions, your brain can be drained and you just want to go home, but this is your PSA to double check it.

Not almost.

FYP.

They started swiping players cards in tournaments cause they're trying to catch players that are banned from the HR. Same in cash games. If you don't use a player's card, they will ask for ID. They've busted several people, from what the floors have told me, playing while banned. They also didn't let one kid at my table play cause his license was expired. When I come in now, even if there are open seats, the front desk still asks for my players card. Annoying, but no big deal really.

Well, if the kid used a calculator (like he is supposed too), instead of trying to count it in his head, if he really was that tired, would that be even more reason to use it, correct? #CommonSenseIsntThatCommon

This part is something the brushes were always supposed to be doing but were lazy and wouldn't do it. If a seat was open, they would just tell you to go to table X, and then lock the seat up as a guest. But what used to happen (more in the old room than now) is that a lot of players would skip the sign up line and roam around the room looking for an open seat. When they found one, they would just sit down. Since the dealer only saw the name guest in his Bravo, he had no way to know that wasn't the correct player. A few minutes later, after buying chips, the real guest would show up and be screwed out of his seat.

Without a doubt. I just sort of chuckle when I see situations where players criticize dealers or brushes for essentially making the same mistake that the player themselves did. Like the other night a player announced his hand as two pair, and the other player had a straight. So the dealer started to push the pot to the straight, and another player says " wait. He's got a flush". Then the player who miscalled his own hand started berating the dealer for not seeing the flush. When another player pointed out that he made the same mistake, the player said "but he gets paid to do it". Somehow the player felt that since the dealer gets around $3/hr plus maybe $1/hand, that he should be perfect while the player who has $200 in the pot can make mistakes.

My argument wasn't that he made a mistake, everyone makes mistakes, it's part of life, I totally get that, my argument/annoyance was that he just flat out refused to use the calculator, that they are supposed to be using anyways, even after being told to by the other employees and just acted like he didn't want to use it or didn't need it.

That is the dealers job though irrespective of what he makes. Relying on players to accurately announce their hands is lazy.

Still if i had misdeclared my hand there I would just thank my lucky stars somebody caught it...

The HR rules specifically state that while the dealers will assist in reading hands, it is ultimately the players responsibility to ensure he does not have a winning hand prior to releasing it. My point is just that I think it is silly for a player who misreads his hand to berate a dealer who misreads the same hand. But then again, I just think any player who berates a dealer, is a piece of ****.

Very True. The player losing out on his/her seat just ends up thinking that the person upfront doesn't know whats going on or they think the Dealer is not updating their Bravo. Either way it makes the room look like it is not managed very well. It may be a little annoying, but needed.

Well of course it's ultimately player responsibility like everything. The rules are set up so the casino is responsible for basically nothing. One of the players at my table had gone to the bathroom and some random guy walks up and takes all his chips and leaves. It's reported to security who track the guy who is still staying there. They don't confront him though. Hours pass. The guy leaves, they let him, the end. All they're willing to do is give the wronged player his name so he can file a police report.

I get your point the player shouldn't berate the dealer especially when he made the same mistake, but I don't absolve the dealer of responsibility because he doesn't feel like reading the hands. Regardless of who is ultimately legally responsible it is part of the dealer's job to read hands and push pots accordingly.

I didn't mean to sound like I was absolving the dealer of responsibility. It is his job and he should do it correctly. I was just saying that mistakes happen, and I think it's stupid if a player tables his hand, declares "two pair" when he actually has a flush, and then berates the dealer for not seeing that he has a flush. Players rarely underdeclare their hands. Usually it's the opposite, like saying they have a straight when they don't. So usually if a player declares a hand, the dealer checks to see if they really have that hand. So if the guy had just tabled his hand without saying anything, the dealer probably would have read it and seen the flush. But if the player says "two pair" the dealer may look to confirm the two pair and move on.

Sure the dealer should have seen the flush, but I thought at the time that the player was a jerk for berating the dealer after in a way he misled the dealer in the first place.

I may seem a little protective of the dealers as I have played there for many years and have gotten to know many of the dealers well (Though many long time dealers are gone now, and I don't know the new ones ). I just hate it when a very good dealer makes a rare mistake, and some player jumps all over him. Add that the player made the same mistake and it really pisses me off.

Has anyone seen what the promos are going to be for July? Usually it's the month they have the best promos, but haven't seen anything posted in room or online yet. Hopefully they stop with that god awful play 50 hours, get tickets where you have to sit there for 12 hours on a Sunday to win, and allocate that money elsewhere.

Just happened to go for a few hours later in the evening this Sunday when they were pulling the tickets every 30 min and the room was just full of zombies who looked like they hadn't slept in days and weren't playing any hands, and were basically just to see if they binked the 1 in 1,000 chance they had of having their name drawn. Never doing that again. Really wish they'd look at the Hard Rock Hollywood for their promos, it's pretty ridiculous how everyone I've talked too hates it, yet they still continue to do it month after month.

Website now has the July promos up. It shows the same high hands as this month, and $400 for 75 hours. Don't see anything about the tickets thing though.