I have been a longtime player, and am wondering what other 2+2er frequent it? im soutttthhh miami and its like a 30 minute drive, cant wait....++++

are you kidding me?

I've played @ the creek and hardrock for a few years. never ending supply of drug dealers, degens, drunks, etc.

I have trouble with ssnl online (mostly a tourny donk) but have crushed these games for years without fail.

agree!! and there are a lot of crazy Haitians(idk how to word it better :-/ ) !

There's a few of us coming down south from New England, to help ya'll out with that Higher Limit troubles. We're hopeful, Foxwoods $10/$25 NL game is gone from here?? The $100/$200 HOSE @ the MoheganSun gone??
Good Luck in holding High Limit games, I really hate the WINTER here in CT/NY/NJ

Are they playing any PLO and what limits?

Thanks
GS

The Isles casino and horsetrack is awesome card room. Really nice upstairs area with a few surrounding restaurants and slots downstairs. Horsetrack is in the back where they do Carriage races.

i'm a reg here in tampa bay downs and also hard rock in tampa. ... PLO and MIxed games will be spread if you want to get them going. I know a lot of the dealers are going to have to learn how to deal these games, but def way better than being stuck plaing NL all the time.

Hey guys, with tomorrow being July 1st I figured it was time to resurrect this thread. I've written out the rest of the FAQ and sent it to a moderator so he can add it to the 2nd post of this thread so hopefully this can be the center of discussion for all discussion related to the Seminole Hard Rock poker room.

I know that some of this has already been mentioned in the various Florida poker threads but here are a few of the recent changes that have taken place at The Rock:

- The poker room has switched over to using the same kind of chips that are used inside the casino for table games. If you have any of the old chips, you must cash them in by September 15, 2010 or they will no longer have any cash value.

- The Bravo computer system has been installed and is now operational. This allows dealers to swipe in players' frequent player cards at the table to track their play, call for a floor person or cocktail waitress, and notify the brush stand of open seats.

- The old Players Card is being phased out as it does not work with the new Bravo system. You can continue to use whatever money you have on the card by asking the staff for vouchers but you can no longer get rated on it. You must now sign up for a Wild Card, which is the same frequent player card used inside the casino for slot and table play. With this card, you are able to pay for food/merchandise/etc. without requesting a voucher first.

- High-limit cash games are being moved upstairs. Hopefully this will crack down on the amount of loitering that goes on around the bigger games.

- The poker room is planning on raising the limits at precisely 12:00am on July 1st (surprise, surprise) and it's going to be a madhouse.

Cant wait.

I will probably be using this thread along with the other florida poker threads.

HR Hollywood and Calder will be the main places that I will be playing at (they got the limits right, and both have competent management).

Will they have a "Poker Card" coming in the near future for customers that are between 18-20? Since I know you have to be 21 for the Casino Card


Do you know what the lowest limits will be that are downstairs? Im guessing 5/10 NLHE and 2/5 PLO? Everything higher is upstairs?

If you've been playing so long why would you possibly continue playing there in order to earn 1/5 what you earned 4 years ago? The 10-20 at Bellagio has finally reached a point where it's less profitable than multi tabling 1-2 online. I think the only reason it still runs is because the regulars who won a few years ago haven't realized it yet. Over the last 12 months alone you've seen the 10-20's dry up in Vegas and L.A. not just because of the lack of fish but also because many of the winning players bankrolls have shrunk from living expenses.


BTW, what are the operating hours for the Hard Rock on weekdays? 24 hours on weekends, right? Will these hours be the same for each casino or do they each choose their hours. Hopefully the games will be good enough to justify playing 18 hours each of the first few days.

The higher limit area is going to be upstairs, that is good and bad, they have no elevator or restrooms up stairs that I know of. What are they going to do when the older people and people with disabilities want to play? There are alot of older people with a bunch of disposable income that play poker, I know a few friends will not go there just for that reason, a few of them have already had hip or knee replacements, and they are not 1/2 players, they are the ones that were playing in private games, they are the ones that can lose $10,000 and not blink a eye.

There is an elevator to go upstairs, don't worry about such minor things. Moving the bigger games upstairs is smart and should have been done a while ago.

As far as the amount of money in SF, I think most of the people saying its going to dry up are right on. There isn't as much money down here as people think. Its a debtors paradise, leases, renters, and creditors, not as much real value as there was 3 or 4 years ago.

As bad as the laws were there used to be a lot more money in these rooms than there is now. $1000 sit and goes used to be regular things that would go every day of the week. Now even on Fridays and Saturday there are very very few unfamiliar faces. There just isn't as much casual cash flowing into the card rooms as there used to be. The casual recreational cash is the real stuff that keeps these places running. Without the casual cash the games will die. Because of the trickle up effect it really will hamper the games after the initial rush.

Everyone thinks they are going to destroy the new limits and have the best summer they have had but because its a zero sum (negative if you think about the rake) everyone can't win and its not just the drug dealer or rich old guy thats going to lose.

I can't wait for tonight, I will be there at mid night, but I am also realistic. The economy is not good enough to sustain the higher games. When the money has changed hands and the bank rolls have dried up, so will the bigger games.

This is the most reasonably thought-out, insightful post I've read in these Florida threads. I agree with you completely. People, there ain't that much money moving around here these days.

Today in court I overhead three other attorneys getting fired up about the "no-limit" and "tonight's the night baby" so I stuck my head into the conversation. Apparently, these guys have a 5/10 home game they've been running for a few years and don't play in the casino, ever, due to the $100 cap.

I myself am a devout player who refuses to play anywhere down here due to the cap and am now planning on playing at the very least twice a week. My friend, who can afford to lose, has been playing more blackjack and baccarat than poker but also loves to play and will be playing higher stakes. There are a lot of people like me who:

1. Have money to play;

2. Think they are better at poker than they truly are;

and 3. Didn't want to waste their time with $100 caps but will now eagerly play consistently.

There's a lot more money down here than you give credit for. It's not like everyone can play 10/25 uncapped on a daily basis either, but I simply don't see the games drying up completely. Vegas has been hit harder than almost anywhere and the games still run. Random card rooms in po'dunk towns in Oklahoma and Missouri can sustain 2/5 games and 5/10's once or twice a week. SFL has plenty of bored cash, degens, and Latin American / European tourist traffic to make high stakes run well into the foreseeable future.

I was going to reply until I saw yours...Most people don't realize the wealth in the Miami area until they live here. The Tampa HR might be a tough sell at those limits long term though.

FYI, the FAQ in the 2nd post of this thread has been updated so newbies to the Hard Rock might want to check that out.

The Hard Rock is open 24/7/365. It's the parimutuels that are restricted to 18-hour days during the week (and yes, they choose their own hours).

You're right about this. Even though there's an elevator, it's located all the way in the back of the room, so a person in a wheelchair wants to play high stakes will have to make their way through the chaos of the entire 1st floor, use the elevator, and then possibly travel the length of the 2nd floor to get to their table...then do the same in reverse to get to the bathroom. It's going to be a major pain in the ass for people with disabilities.

I've lived in miami most of my life and didn't notice how wealthy east miami is until I started visiting other parts of the country. A porsche down here turns no heads since there are so many. I spent a few weeks in chicago for example and I saw only 1 porsche, no lambos or ferraris. Drive down a1a anywhere from hallandale to south beach and it is practically a guarantee you'll see some exotics

Anecdotal etc..

Correction: as Chris Rock would say, Miami isn't wealthy-- Palm Beach is wealthy. Miami is rich.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWERzwbobOk

Florida has always been a state of the halves and the halve not. The difference between Florida and the rest of the county is the people that have it don't alway flaunt it. They dress the same as any other south Florida working class person, they wear the same "it is hot and muggy" outfits, shorts,a light shirt and sandals. But as SretiCentV said, look in the parking lot and you will find more high line autos then any other city aside from Beverly Hills, Jags, Lexus, Mercedes are so common you don't even notice them any more, heck Bentleys are even common now. broke people don't drive $100k cars. When I was living in Vegas I thought I was going to see high line cars every where and old classic cars, well there are alot of Hyundai's on the road there, not many high lines like here. the summers might be a little slow but once Turkey day comes around it is going to be packed with Snow birds with pockets full of cash till the Easter Bunny leads them all away again.

anyone planning to play 5-10 tonight at the hard rock?? Im curious to see how many tables they will get going.

Will be playing a mix of 1/2 PLO, 2/5 and 5/10 NLHE

I'll be there tonight and although $5/10 is my normal game, I'm still not sure what I'll be playing at first because I'm curious to see where the fish will go. I might play $2/5 if the conditions are right and I'm going to hold off on $10/20 until I get a better feel for what that game plays like here.

Does anyone know how they are going to break the ice tonight? Are they going to run the normal games until midnight and then continue them with the new limits after midnight? Or are they going to close for a bit, get everything prepared with the new games/limits, and then open the doors to a madhouse of degens?