Here is the complete WSGC complaint


http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/admin_orders/...+Charges%2Epdf

pid,

that troll looks strange. what's wrong with him?

I guess you didn't get the strawman reference.

Pretty serious stuff.... final paragraph image below

This stuff is all old. I think their current jackpot setup has something to do with remedying the situation with WSGC. I believe they renewed their license last month.

I look at this like I did at Jack in the Box when they were going through their E-Coli scandal. After the initial news broke it immediately became the safest place to eat. It's not that other cardrooms don't do this, rather they haven't yet been caught. I'm looking at you Snoqualmie...

As I understand it, the former ownership had virtually zero chance of retaining their license because of this scandal. They sold DL to someone who could actually get a license to operate it.

Does that jibe with your understanding? I could be very misinformed.

Yeah, I recall there being talk about an ownership change, although a) I still see the people who I thought were partial owners hanging around there still, and b) DL still shares the same security/surveillance people as Freddie's Club which seems strange since both DL and Freddie's were both listed in the complaint. Maybe Freddie's Club changed ownership too, but if not, I'm surprised its license wasn't revoked.

I think the problem with Snoqualmie is that the cardroom is just horrible. Do they even have poker there still?

The $2/$5 game there can sometimes be very, very good, but a lot of the time it's the same ol' regs at 1 or 2 tables.

I don't think there's anything shady with their PSJ other than it's continually growing. I understand wanting a buffer, but the last time I was there it was around $320K (it's on the whiteboard). How about giving some back?

Snoqualmie's bad beat is at $320k?

No, they don't have a bad beat. The PSJ was under $90K when they stopped doing bad beats at the beginning of the year.

Interesting:

A casino can charge upto 10% admin fee for PSJ
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=230-15-390

For the Paying out prizes http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=230-15-405

I was playing on Saturday night at Tulalip and there was some commotion at another table. I didn't see it all as it happened, but apparently one player must have pushed another player over. The aggressor's gf was pulling him away afterward and they left before security finally showed up. A year or so ago I had a player get angry and punch me at the table at another local cardroom. I would say over the past year I have played poker maybe a dozen nights, and thought that two instances of physical aggression at the table when I was present was high. Is there something about the Seattle area players?

I have never seen physical altercation at the table in the 10 years that I have played in various Seattle rooms.

I have seen a guy with heart attack though.

Pretty rare in my experience. I was threatened only once by a huge woman attorney with a voice from hell at Tulalip.
What time Saturday? I was there till about 1 am and missed the raucous.

Two specific instances come to mind.

1) When I first starting playing poker (Goldies, c. 2005), I saw this huge dude huck one of those wooden rolling table-side carts at this young, Asian kid. It missed him and the guy was thrown out.

2) About a year ago, I was playing at Lil's and this drunk guy, Edwin, sits down to the right of player A. Player A doesn't chop and the hand gets folded to the two blinds, and Edwin asks to chop. When A says he plays, Edwin starts ranting about how it's stupid not to chop. He then stalls the game, and another guy Player B, says to just either play or fold. Edwin then calls B an idiot and starts yelling. The floor kicks him out. A few minutes later, A and B go to the front where Edwin is hanging out. I turn around and look out the window just in time to see B land a huge uppercut to Edwin's jaw. Also, I think Edwin was mentioned in another thread about owing a ton of money to people.

You must have just missed it, I was finally able to get a seat around midnight, and it was before 2, because I noted that it appeared that the girl had experience pulling him away like that, because she didn't even spill a drop of her wine in the other hand. I have been around poker for a long time, just dont play that often anymore. In my experience, it is pretty common for people to get on each other's nerves and even get into somewhat heated 'discussions', but to actually get to the point of touching or striking another player used to be rare.

Still is rare. You just happened to be at right place at the wrong time.

Sounds like you met Kathy.

I've had a much larger guy threaten me (though to be fair, I had it coming - he had AA and I flopped a set and we got all the money in, so when you look at it that way, I deserved it).

Another guy got mad and threw his cards in my face. I guess I literally got hit in the face with the deck! Har har. Both at Tulalip.

The second guy got thrown out right away. The floor didn't do anything about the first guy. I thought it was weird, because I don't think it's in the players' best interests to have someone threatening others. How is that okay? Granted, he was a reg at the time and I was a new player, but I thought it was pretty bad that a player can say things like "I'm going to find you in the parking lot and get all my money back that you just took from me" and the floor's like "hey, settle down, keep playing." But the guy who threw his cards (pocket 5s BTW) at me gets snap banned. I felt a lot less threatened by the second than the first.

Pretty WTF if you ask me.

I had the same thing happen about a year and a half ago there and security claimed they couldn't find the hand. They were given time, table, amounts on every street. Never ended up getting that pot.

Lol I played with her a long time ago at Hideaway. Table captainess for sure.

Fascinating, since so many ITT have so vehemently assured me that standard 2+2 precautions dont apply and it's perfectly OK to let the dealer grab your hand in Washington because the magical cameras of the Evergreen State know and see all and never make a mistake. I'm quite sure your recollection must be in error.

Seriously dude, let it go...

I bet you still remember the name of the kid who took your lunch money back in first grade.