i never run well enough to have enough cash on me to worry. must be nice

If you're going to be playing a big game, valet. If you bink a tournament or forget to valet, get security to escort you and give them a few bucks(that you would have given valet). Easy game, never had any issues.

no valet at great american casinos.
and security will only take you to your car. these crooks are somehow following people home. i wonder if they're waiting in the parking lot or were they inside. how much cash were they expecting this dealer to have?

I think if I'm being followed home, I can deal with that by taking a circuitous route home and if the car behind me is clearly following me, then I call the police.

Anything new anyone has heard about the mess Snoqualmie has become? I went there Friday night and every table was full. They only had one table of 4/8 with about a dozen on the wait list. I left and went to Silver Dollar.

Also, does anyone know about Shoreline? Is the Drift the main spot still up there? What time do they usually start games?

There was a $20 ladies tourney at drift on inn at 7pm. They had a table of 3-20 going at the time.
Club Hollywood had a couple tables going too.
The hideaway is usually busy.
That's your shoreline poker.

SeaUlater you are dead wrong about the sustainability of Sno's poker room. They could easily sustain a 1/3 game and a 2/5 game with buy ins that Zee mentioned of 100-300 and 200-600 if they actually gave a damn about their poker room. They could easily over take all the tribal casinos as THEE place to play poker. But they don't give a damn...

Tulalip has no problem sustaining the games above, and it's located in the ghetto. With Snoqualmie's location so close to all that eastside money, just think of the possibilities. Instead they put the poker room in a tiny tin can. I've taken Sh*ts in bigger honeybuckets than that poker room.

Too bad Elliot doesn't know what he's doing. I wonder if they're thinking of hiring a new poker room manager...

I am dead wrong or you're simply clueless?

The size of room is beyond the control of anyone that has any saying relating to poker. So once you remove that out of equation, the question is how to maximize the room to meet the demand of players.

Clearly if you have been to Tulalip, you would acknowledge that the most popular game is 1/3. So now the question is picking between 1/3 and 2/5 while allowing at least 1 or 2 tables of 4/8.

So what's the point of having two different blinds and buy in structure when they can run a hybrid one?

Oh, I just realized that I didn't even address your main point.

How did I argue for or against the sustainability of the room? The room never had much chance due to the size of it, and adding one more option to the game won't save it.

snoqualmie needs to run a major tourney w/ like a 50k gtd / $200 bi. if they could run one really well done major, their poker business would take off imo.

With 7 tables, 10-handed, it would need to be around a $700 bi.

obv they would have to do this in their event room...

You honestly don't think their prime location to all the rich people on the eastside could sustain all those different games? Have you ever cruised the different neighborhoods and compared Bellevue and Marysville? Do you know the difference between them besides that one begins with a B and the other an M?

So now I'd say you are dead wrong and clueless.

the difference between bellevue and marysville to the sno isnt even comparable...

LOL, so that's your argument?

Because Sno is closer to nice neighborhood, therefore it should have bigger poker games?

I am too lazy to look up and compare various poker venues in LA, but I am guessing that there are rooms that are closer to nicer neighborhoods than Commerce.

Plus how is having more rich people have anything to do with splitting 2/5 into 1/3 and 3/5? There will still be far more people playing 1/3 than 2/5 even if there are a crap load of rich people.

Riches aren't rich because they like to give away money.

Yes.


Totally different make up here than down there. Not relevant example.

They are at a casino.

Anyhow, you still haven't explained how making 2/5 into $500 max and having a 1/3 game is going to make Sno better, especially after knowing that the poker room will not increase in size.

Keeping the min buy in at ~20bb and applying the 75% rule would seem to make most people happy in addition to keeping late night/early morning games going longer. While there would be potential downside to adding the 75% rule I think it would be a net benefit to the Sno.

Sno is definitely the nicest room I've gone to in this state, but like many of the posters here I have many issues with some of its features.

I hate 60bb poker. When there are 100bb+ stacks on the table I hate having to grind up for a few hours to finally play full stack poker.

I got stuck in the 2 seat on one of the outer tables, pinned between the wall and the table. As someone over 6 feet tall, I was miserable.

The replacement of 2 tables with 3 pit games kinda sucks. I'm all for people getting excited about smoke free gaming, and if that idea takes off perhaps that will be the impetus for expanding the room, but blackjack players can be a bit obnoxious, so I'm not a huge fan.

Anyway, I hope they find a way to fix the problems everyone has brought up. Because of their convenience and non 'ghetto' vibe I will continue to give them my midweek business. But I intend to take my weekend gaming to poker rooms that spread more traditional 100bb games and provide less cramped seating.

Rumor has it Muck is starting a $20/$40 with $2 rake (no JP)?

Hard to imagine. In order for that to be sustainable you'd have to steal all the Lils regulars. Don't see that happening...

well, so much for speculation. apparently they're starting up the 20/40 today. they're going to try and make it a daily game (starting at 2pm). $2 rake. this is crazy.

They put tables games in the poker room because there wasn't enough action and they weren't using all the poker tables most of the time. If they made it $500 max and spread different, and higher games it would attract a lot more action, thereby increasing traffic.

From my understanding, another reason they put table games in is that people were asking for smoke-free options for those games. Not saying that's the only reason, or even that it's the primary reason, but that explanation makes a certain amount of sense to me. Those table games have been packed on the weekends I've been in the room.

Here is how I see it. If they make the game 200-500, there will be a need to spread 1/2 or 1/3. The room has 7 tables, assuming 2 are spreading 4/8, there will be 5 tables left.

If the room spreads both 1/3 and 3/5, how do you think the makeup of the remaining 5 tables will be?

I rather have 5 2/5 tables than 1 or 2 3/5 tables.