Happily chopped the $400 Muckleshoot Spring MTT up for just under $10k.

I was impressed by Muckleshoot overall. Hotdog bar on all breaks (early) and a selection of morning danishes/pastries and followed that up by an Asian Buffet at 4:30.

Overall, I played 14 hours and very rarely saw dealer mistakes etc.

Seems like Muckleshoot is doing a lot of good things to drive people back.

Right...except you missed the part that Muck is raking 20%, so if there were about 300 entries, Muck raked $24,000.

I suppose those hot dogs, pastries, and Asian buffet is totally worth the $24,000.

Happily found a $100 bill while sitting in a honey bucket. Was there for about 20 good minutes but was impressed by the smell, cleanliness and overall comfort. Seems like honey buckets are doing lot of good things to drive people back. I’ll definitely be returning.

To get to the honey bucket, you have to walk through a maze and for about 10 minutes, and oh ya endure the awesome smell of wide open space in an Indian casino.

which is the equivalent of taking the whole tournament pot down for themselves every 5th tournament.

if they told you they would take no rake but say put out 4 kings and an ace in a pile and let the winner draw a card. and if it was the ace him and all others got nothing. how many do you think would sign up for that tournament.

Still a lot would, because they know there are 400 suckers and they are one of the 100 "skilled" ones.

Just pointing out that Muck is not doing much.

Fortune Poker 3 year anniversary.

$499 high hamds every 15 minutes.

Sunday noon to midnight.
Mon thru Thur 10am to midnight.
Friday 10am to 3PM.

This week and next week.

$146,000 a week in HH for 2 weeks eh?

Almost $300,000 in HH prizes for the anniversary and this is pretty much running after all the previous "best in Seattle" HH promotions.

I mean...how do you keep the lights on?

We at Fortune Poker just want to say thank you to all of our valued guests and give a special shout out to the folks here at 2+2 for continuing to help us make the room the best it can be.

We know we go backwards with these high hands but that is kind of the point! It's okay if we have to pitch in a little in an effort to show our appreciation to the local poker community. Fortune Poker will continue striving to be the best poker room in the state and we continue to seek and utilize constructive feedback from all stakeholders.

Thank you again,

Fortune Poker

That’s awesome. I can honestly say Fortune cares more about what it is they do than any poker room I’ve ever been to.

20-40 mix game is now being spread at Red Dragon. The dealers are still getting used to it and there all still some procedural kinks they need to work out but it’s great game. They even have plaques and everything!

Went to Fortune Poker room for the first time this weekend. Super friendly staff from floor to the dealers and wait staff. Chip runners were quick, wait staff was always available and dealers hardly made any mistakes. I really enjoyed my time there and will be back.

Couple of suggestions for owners. Put up a divider between the urinals in the men’s room. Also didn’t see any hand sanitizer stations around the room. Also need to get the hotel next door to go half’s on a bridge to gap that chasm for out of town players that stay there. The walk around takes too long for us lazy poker players

Overall a great place to play and would recommend it to all.

The Chasm is Darwinian in nature.

20/40 limit Mix with capped PLO and NL rounds too?

No. The night I played it was stud hi, razz, stud 8, Omaha hi, double board Omaha hi, badugi, A-5, and 2-7 TD.

Gotta get the capped "big" bet games in there to really make it a players game!

if a room spread 20/40 horse i would be a reg

i dont like dropping rake for promotions, but i understand why the rooms here do it. Still dont like it.

I love it when my favorite local poker room takes the promo drop, as without it there'd be no local poker room.

You could always drive to the closest room with no promo drop, but then your gas costs would outweigh any potential benefit.

Or, play in one the free local poker leagues at your local bar or shriners club equivalent. You can meet new friends and make tens of dollars.

Plus prime rib in about 5 minutes. Record time for hot beef delivery!

They don't rake 20% they rake 15% ($60/$400) or 17.6% ($60/$340) depending on how you calculate rake. No need to make stuff up to try and get less people to show up to tournaments.

There was $60 of rake on the $400 tournament. There were 268 entries so they raked $16,080. There were roughly 200 hours of dealer time. It costs the casino at least $20 an hour for each dealer. So that eats up $4,000 and that is a conservative estimate. Throw in waitresses, cook staff, management, security and that is probably another $2,000 of labor. Throw in another $2,000 for use of the room and any other amenities. All of those are very conservative estimates. That means at most $8,000 is what the casino made for putting on one of these tournaments. Online tournaments have roughly 10% rake and don't have these overhead costs. That's a fair deal. If you can't beat that rake then keep signing up for tournaments so everyone else here can take your money but please stop bashing Muckleshoot It is still by far the best place to play tournaments anywhere within 300 miles.

For the recent $200 bounty tournament the rake was around 28%, maybe 24%, making it a $150 + $50 thing. Not a very good deal. Here's a picture if you'd like to try the math

Fortune Poker high hands, $250 every 15 minutes.

Mon thru Thur 10am to 2am.
Fri 10am to 3PM.
Sa/Sun noon to 3 am.

Omaha high hands $100 every 30 minutes Mon/Wed/Fri noon to 8PM.

They are taking out money for the TOC which is effectively a Jackpot Rake. I really wish they had a better breakdown of what the rake goes to. However here we go again on the math for why the rake has to be 25%.

51 entries @$50 of rake = $2,550

There are roughly 60 hours of dealer time to be paid which is $1,200.

So they have $1350 to pay any overhead, waitresses and turn a profit. This is why the sub $200 buy in tournaments are terrible value until you get over 100 entrants.

This is where you better know your edge in the tournament or you won't be able to beat the rake. That's the same as grinding cash or any other form of poker. You must be able to beat your opponents and the house.

What are they supposed to do run the tournament at a loss? There is a reason you don't see tournaments like this being ran all over the place. They are not great money makers for casino's. However Muckleshoot is the best at this in the area for what that's worth.

The weekday tournaments are even worse and I would recommend avoiding them as they are simply for entertainment not for you to make money playing them.

Make what stuff up?

Here is $300 payout:
https://muckleshootcasino.com/core/f...sic%2C2019.pdf

$65,760 paid out, $82,200 collected. $16,440 was raked for $60 each player.

I suppose not all of them are raked the same, but clearly $300 BI was raked at 20%.

Agreed with all of above.

Still, it's 20% rake.

But it's still 25%.

The idea behind tournament has always been that if you bring in the players, they will do whatever else and spend the money inside the casino.

If I understand your position correctly:

Be considerate of casino's profitability and allow yourself to be raked more? And if everyone is happily being raked more, there would be better tournaments?

And don't bash Muck, because they're running as good as it gets considering how "little" they profit?