I'm no expert on tribal law but there's at least some sense in which they're under the jurisdiction of state regulation. I'm pretty sure it's not just coincidence that Muck, Tul, Sno, et al observe the $500 max bet limit, as though each tribe independently decided to impose that same limit.

Another poker player screw-job.

The Tribes own the state gambling commission. They bought $$$ these Washington State Gambling Commission clowns fair and square. Al Capone would be proud. This state is so corrupt. BTW I know first hand having been involved in doing business with our State. You can discount my claim. No matter- it is true.

The fact that Snoqualmie's tribal announcements refer to PSJ as "PSJ rake" should have tipped you off. The WAC rules you are citing are for non-tribal operators, not tribal operators. As far as tribal operators are concerned, it's all rake. Yes, there are two drop slots, but after the count they go into the same bucket. None of it has to go back to the players. None.


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that why places get away with this stuff as people dont vote with their feet.

if players let some of the joints that dont have much action that they will start coming if they have a low rake where small stakes players can actually win and grow their bankroll, then things have a chance of changing.

I tried to verify this but I didn't spend too much time digging so I may have missed something. Title 230 is about the Gambling Commission, who appears to regulate WA tribals as well. Chapter 230-15 is card game rules and seems to pertain to local (nontribal) cardrooms although I couldn't confirm that in my browsing.

Clearly the WSGC has a role in regulating tribals, which they're calling Class III: https://www.wsgc.wa.gov/tribal-gaming/casino-locations

I'm not very familiar with this so if anyone has any pointers in how to find the relevant legislation, I'm all ears and will be appreciative!

Here's a link to another current thread that is useful to this discussion :

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...-down-1717174/

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Moving to Seattle and wondering what the best casino is recommended to play 1/3?

Fortune on the south end. Red Dragon on the north. Tribals if you're far from the Seattle city limits or can't bear the thought of "no limit" with a $300 max bet. (Tribals are $500 max bet. Still a 4-bet max per round.)

I know Tulalip has regular $1-3. I thought the Muckleshoot had added it but they used to start at $3-5 (or limit).

Thanks! I've read some other reviews online that fortune has some issues with collusion what are thoughts on this forum about this? I think Red Dragon and Fortune poker and casino caribbean are going to be about the same distance so any preference or explanation of differences between these? Also whats the rake like is it standard among all of the casinoes or does one have better rake than others?

Dragon has very "unique" rules. Their dealers and floor are very nice, but floor is inconsistent with rulings. Manager doesn't seem to care about the rule set. Familiarize yourself with their rules, always ask for clarification from the dealer on players action. You'll enjoy yourself if you know what you're getting into.

There's no more collusion at Fortune than anywhere else from what Ive seen. You get the typical regs sometimes playing soft against each other, etc. The rake at Fortune is 3+3 max for the 1/3 and is similar in the other rooms. I cant speak for all the rooms you noted, but I think the general consensus is that Fortune is ran very well, the food is by far the best, and the room is nice.

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Amazing. In other words the tribal poker rooms can do whatever they please with the player drop. It is a rake, a rake they can use for slots, roulette, pi gow, you name it. This stinks.

Do you trust a casino, without regulation or oversight, to administer your money?

I wonder why sno decided to shutter the poker room. Once upon a time both Red Wind and Emerald Queen tribals had poker rooms but no more.

Muckleshoot looks like a shell of what it used to be 10 years ago.

Management never aligned with the idea of having a poker room. It started with 10 tables squeezed into a tiny room and has been shrinking ever since.

They even tried pivoting it with other table games and having it as part of Sherman's private gambling room.

I can't speak for if this is by law or what, but I do know that you can request from Tulalip an updated daily report on the jackpots and that 100% of their jackpot drop goes back to the players. I had also asked what if a GTD tournament doesn't hit the min players, they don't dip into the jackpot money there either. Just request it from the poker desk. They usually already have it printed out.

You're speaking as if whatever they said is 100% true.

FWIW, Snoqualmie posts its daily jackpot on the wall right next to the cashier. Minus the supposedly reliable response, Snoqualmie is actually more transparent than Tulalip when it comes to posting jackpot numbers.

What are the differences in transparency? Also, since Tulalip is apparently lying to the players, you should help expose this. Can you provide some data?

"Officer, I know it looks like I robbed that bank, but I carefully counted out every dollar I took from the vault in front of the teller, so you've gotta give me credit for transparency."

You were the one making all those statements as if they were facts, because apparently you "know." Where is the proof of these "facts"?

Burden is on you, buddy.

You mentioned they have the jackpot printed out and available upon request. All I am pointing out is that Snoqualmie has it displayed without request, which is more transparent than having to request to see it.

Whether you ask for it and they print it or they have it printed and hand it to you, I don't really see the difference in transparency there. You're the one implying lack of transparency. Not me.

Do you work for Dragon or Fortune?

Just to clarify what's being discussed here --

There is a big difference between "this venue, at the moment, chooses to do X", versus "this venue is legally required by the state to do X".

As the situation with Snoqualmie's "jackpot fund" (soon to be : poker-themed-table-game jackpot fund) is now pretty clearly illustrating.

Just saying.


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You can't see how the former requires knowledge of such document even exist in order to request for it, and the latter simply puts it on display?

Not sure why I am even engaging with you.

Precisely. And that's giving credit for what DZ "knows" to be true.

Not to mentioned that the following statement is questionable at best:

I am not sure if he's even aware that casino has the right to collect 10% of the jackpot as "administration fee."

Lastly, unless someone requests for a printout the day before the tourney and record all the jackpots going out the day of tourney (if it happens to be under GTD), and validate it with the day-after number, there is not an easier way to determine whether that's true.

I find it simply naive to think that a casino would choose not to collect the 10% and not to use jackpot money as promotion (guaranteed tourney is a promotion).

But hey, he KNOWS.

At the Muck on Friday a dealer said that Tulalip's poker room is closing in Mid-September. I confirmed that it wasn't Sno and he was very confident Tulalip was closing as well. Can anyone else confirm this?