Of course it would.


I dont know if this is still the case, but last time I was at Wizards it was 4+3. If someone is equidistant, they would go play 3-20 at Red Dragon.

If someone who isnt from here and has no idea what the rake structure is like, its very pertinent.

In other words, you would choose casino over one dollar rake?

Let’s be real, not all casinos are the same. $1 rake difference is the nut low priority in choosing casino/games.

Plus it’s not like rake is listed anywhere else and he didn’t ask other places as comparison.

Thanks guys !

No offense taken.
As for the rake, I don't really mind but I like to have all the infos before going somewhere. And the fact it was not displayed anywhere made me ask the question.

I'm coming from a place where the rake is 4% with no cap, so I can survive to a few bucks

What an absurd stance you're taking. Acting like its ridiculous to ask what a room's rake is in addition to other small questions.

And yes, if I felt indifferent between two rooms, I would definitely go to the one with the lower rake. Would I pay a buck more rake at Fortune than Wizards? Yes, because I feel all the other advantages make up for it.

What position is that? I am not taking any position other than the fact that a question about rake in Seattle is a rather moot question.

There is not a single casino in Seattle that would drive in or drive away customers because of one dollar rake difference.

How many people know how much Dragon is raking vs Caribbean?

You are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

there is a dollar amount for each limit of game where it becomes unbeatable or not worth playing for many winning players, so each dollar raise in rake puts you closer to that point.
however losing fun players are there for a different reason so the rake isnt a factor for them.

If this was true every casino would be raising their rakes $1

I don’t see what the problem is with someone wanting to know what the rake is of a casino they are looking to go to. Some states have huge rakes.




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Do you guys even know that Dragon drops 4/3 and Caribbean drops 3/2?

That’s the thing, none of you know. You think rake matters because you are told it matters. You pick casino based on game offering, comfort level, and other amenities.

That’s just how Seattle area casinos work and everyone charge about the same.

People can ask that question all the want and I am just pointing out that it’s a low value question.

Wow i can save a theoretical dollar on every pot I drag if I drive an extra 60 minutes (round trip) to Caribbean? And get served crappy food as well? At a place that may have up to 4 tables running (Kirkland location)!!!

Boy howdy

If there is a position I would take, it would be that rake matters. I care a lot about rakes and that's why I can tell you how much most places around Seattle charges. It was a pretty big deal when Muck raised $3 rake to $4 rake and that Tulalip and Snoqualmie followed suit.

I thought that was pretty BS, but when everyone else did it, it made it pretty much pointless to even care.

That's the thing, Seattle players don't care about rake. They care about high hand promotions, game options, decent food, decent playing environment, and convenience.

Do I care about rake? Hell yes. But fish don't and therefore I don't...and you shouldn't, especially when you don't actually care.

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I totally agree with you here.

Well said. With the decline of poker popularity (i.e. less dead money and more skilled players) and the higher cost of playing poker (increased rake & PSJs and excessive tournament fees like those at the Tulalip), being profitable is even more difficult and unlikely. The approximation that "only 10% of players are profitable" seems a plausible estimate to me.

It's true that it is getting harder and harder to extract money from average players.

There used to be a handful of really bad players who showed up in poker for the sole purpose of garnering attention by dumping money, and those guys are visiting various rooms less and less frequently.

in the past the winners always were fun to play with and made the losers like being there.
in too many places the resident pros wear sunglasses and headphones and give no conversation and tank at every opportunity. bad players soon have no fun and stop coming in.

plus the players talk about hands and ranges and % which are things the losers dont want to hear about as they dont know them or want to. but are made to feel inadequate.

and dont think those things dont bother the bad players.

Most Seattle players don't do most of those faux pas.

You're right, ALL Seattle players do them.

Ray couldn't be more spot on. It has become less fun for the recreational player to come lose money. They would rather go play BJ or Ultimate Holdem and ***** to the dealer and fellow players when they lose. Not hear about all the "pros" talk about equity, ranges, down bets, and GTO theory.

I certainly don't partake in that, and really don't see it all that often either.

Ya I call BS as well.

I have to respectfully agree with Ray here -- the fact that most don't recognize the extent that strategy talk is bad for the game isn't surprising.

Not only does it suck the fun gambling atmosphere out of the game, it 'pulls the cat out of the bag' so to speak.



isn't too surprising for PNW'ers.

As for Muck raising the rake and other's (all) it kills the echosystem for players that are trying to play poker for an hourly. The casino's do not want their rooms filled with people that have an edge.. thus raise the rake and make the games less beatable (skill games) b/c all people that walk through their doors are a mark. The real issue is that games break and go down 7-9 handed games... and fish get eaten alive. They would much rather have a bunch of nobs sit there and play 4/8 holdem and pay through the face to do so.

I would 100% tell you that if a "poker room" opens up say 1/3 - 3/5 5/5 5/10 spread with no jackpot drop and charge $4 per/hand most if not all players would flock to a room like this. Another reality is that "pro's or not so fun players" go to rooms with promotions b/c they feel the overlay of the promo's can make up for the massive rake.

Im quite sure nearly everyone here (this thread) recognizes that. You really see/hear much strat discussion sitting at tables these days?

Most people don't care.... poker players even more than others. What's worse than strategy.... nitty regs at mucks... watching movies ... playing chinese poker and then berating the fish after taking their money... goes to show people can't get out of their own way. Also, that those supposed 3/5 spread pro's are only washing... not playing... not making enough to live the lifestyle's they live... even a mark azz fish will figure that out.

Muck and Tulalip, both have regs who seem to enjoy the idea of fraternity of some sort.

I can't defend that kind of mentality and the fact that they don't even hide their game discussion and trash talking of other players...

Well, I guess Seattle players are just as scumbaggish as everywhere else.