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02-25-2018 , 06:22 PM

#4826

Bighurt52235

I was born to eat hamburgers

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 24,218

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Originally Posted by SuperFinn

Bingo... you got it right.

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Worse? No. Check your eye-glasses.

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02-25-2018 , 08:06 PM

#4827

SuperFinn

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 261

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Originally Posted by Bighurt52235

Apology... edited my initial in error response.

Is the Red Dragon worse than the Hideaway? IMO YES.

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02-26-2018 , 05:01 AM

#4828

Bantam222

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Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,388

How much do the top local regs make? Mainly wondering about guys you see in fortune or similar places all the time -

50k? 150k?

How many regs don’t even win and are just addicted / like playing ?

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02-27-2018 , 05:18 PM

#4829

murstyle15

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 147

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Originally Posted by Bantam222

I don't know of any games big enough or soft enough to make that kind of change. If anyone knows of those big soft games let me know

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02-27-2018 , 09:20 PM

#4830

Ray Zee

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 17,916

games dont have to be too big, just very beatable to make 200 a day. and a place with players doing buyins of 500 easily can get to the top number.

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02-28-2018 , 12:36 PM

#4831

poke4fun

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On the weekend and certain nights of the week, sure, several places around Seattle available, but those rooms are often filled with the same players with similar objective and have experiences as winning player.

Even if above scenario is optimal, there is still very limited number of hours in a week/month/year for those games.

Nothing is impossible, but it is certainly not easy. And if you are just asking the question now, you probably will never be able to do it.

FWIW, Fortune and other smaller rooms spreading smaller NL games is cutting into the bottomline of winning players who aren't playing the big PLO or similarly big games.

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02-28-2018 , 02:04 PM

#4832

SuperFinn

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 261

How would the local poker scene change if the State were to increase the maximum single bet limit for all casinos to $1K? And same question if true no-limit were allowed?

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02-28-2018 , 03:44 PM

#4833

DZ McNasty

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 160

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Originally Posted by murstyle15

I don't know of any games big enough or soft enough to make that kind of change. If anyone knows of those big soft games let me know

3/5 runs 6 days a week at Tulalip with a $1000 max buy. 5/10NLHE on Mondays at Sno, 5-5PLO on Tuesdays at Sno. 5-5PLO Thursday-Sunday, 5-10-25PLO Thursday-Sunday at Tulalip.

Games are there.

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02-28-2018 , 05:17 PM

#4834

Rapid_Fire

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 469

My experience is that the most profitable games are home or underground games.

In the cardroom environment with a rake, I would say only about 30 - 40% of the players are able to sustain a profitable return, and I estimate only 10% can maintain a 4 Big Bet /100 winrate.

So take the 20/40 limit game at Fortune. I would assume it takes about 2 hours to see 100 hands which would be $80/hour, or about 1,250 hours to make $100K. Therefore I find the very top player at that game might be able to make $200K/year.

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02-28-2018 , 05:40 PM

#4835

poke4fun

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Originally Posted by DZ McNasty

3/5 runs 6 days a week at Tulalip with a $1000 max buy. 5/10NLHE on Mondays at Sno, 5-5PLO on Tuesdays at Sno. 5-5PLO Thursday-Sunday, 5-10-25PLO Thursday-Sunday at Tulalip.

Games are there.

3/5 may run some time during the day, but it is mostly a night game, meaning it doesn't run until players get off work at night. It is not currently running Wednesday at 1:38pm and I can't imagine it running on most Monday and Tuesdays around this time.

So you may get what, 1 or 2 games for about 5 hours during 3 of 5 weekdays? Hours are limited and are there enough people dumping money to sustain 10bb+/hr win rate?

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02-28-2018 , 05:46 PM

#4836

poke4fun

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Originally Posted by SuperFinn

How would the local poker scene change if the State were to increase the maximum single bet limit for all casinos to $1K? And same question if true no-limit were allowed?

Remaining sheep get shear little bit more?

I don't see how that would change the game at this point.

Single biggest event to Seattle poker scene in the last 5 years is the rule change to allow max bet from non-tribal from $100 to $300. However, what it does so far is basically remapping the poker landscape, not bringing in new players.

Look around you, do you see more new faces or fewer old faces in poker room?

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03-02-2018 , 07:53 AM

#4837

TheDarkKnight

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Originally Posted by Rapid_Fire

In the cardroom environment with a rake, I would say only about 30 - 40% of the players are able to sustain a profitable return, and I estimate only 10% can maintain a 4 Big Bet /100 winrate.

I'm trying to imagine a world where 40% of poker players were winning in the long run.

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03-02-2018 , 12:42 PM

#4838

steve420wa

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,204

If you plan on hitting the Muck casino floor, wear a face mask.

Was there for comedy night yesterday, and can pinpoint the exact moment someone gave me a sore throat.

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03-02-2018 , 01:23 PM

#4839

Rapid_Fire

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 469

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Originally Posted by TheDarkKnight

I'm trying to imagine a world where 40% of poker players were winning in the long run.

Actually agree. I originally was thinking it's about a 1/3 but thought I should widen range.

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03-02-2018 , 01:36 PM

#4840

Ray Zee

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 17,916

more like ten % make it and keep their head above water just on poker.

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03-02-2018 , 06:55 PM

#4841

PokerLM

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 125

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Originally Posted by steve420wa

It could be worse.... it could be Emerald Queen. I think you get a free tetanus shot on the way out there.

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03-02-2018 , 07:15 PM

#4842

TheDarkKnight

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

more like ten % make it and keep their head above water just on poker.

10% of what field? Everyone that plays 20+ hours of poker a month?

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03-04-2018 , 01:56 AM

#4843

Jonestown

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 259

RIP Hideaway? PSJ problems? Anyone have the scoop?

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03-05-2018 , 02:29 PM

#4844

steve420wa

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,204

I'm happy to report the Fortune Reuben is back to it's former top quality. There are two versions, one with sauerkraut and one with red cabbage.

Speaking of making a living, I'm looking for a new gig. Thinking about getting into a trade, or can use recommendations as what's good to seek training for.

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03-05-2018 , 07:48 PM

#4845

PokerLM

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Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 125

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Originally Posted by steve420wa

Speaking of making a living, I'm looking for a new gig. Thinking about getting into a trade, or can use recommendations as what's good to seek training for.

PSNS always seems to always be hiring for trades and has great benefits & income potential. USAjobs website

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03-05-2018 , 08:25 PM

#4846

DZ McNasty

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 160

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Originally Posted by poke4fun

I thought we were assuming folks playing for a living, not playing 40 hours a week on top of a full work week.

My bad.

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03-05-2018 , 11:34 PM

#4847

poke4fun

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03-06-2018 , 11:47 AM

#4848

poke4fun

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Originally Posted by DZ McNasty

I thought we were assuming folks playing for a living, not playing 40 hours a week on top of a full work week.

My bad.

Nothing I said had implied that a full time player is someone who plays poker after a full work week.

I did assume that there isn't enough games running in Tulalip on a weekday basis to support a pro who needs more hours.

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03-07-2018 , 12:31 AM

#4849

steve420wa

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,204

Refugees from the Hideaway have shown up at Fortune. Seem to be behaving so far.

Tuesday Report: 12 tables at Fortune, 3 at the Muck. Their indecipherable promo board doesn't help.

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03-07-2018 , 01:24 AM

#4850

SuperFinn

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 261

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Originally Posted by Jonestown

RIP Hideaway? PSJ problems? Anyone have the scoop?

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In the past one could learn easily find out answers to the Hideaway question on the Washington State Gambling Commission web site https://www.wsgc.wa.gov/ The Diamond Lils embezzlement of PSJ for example was there for all the see.

No more. The decisions, fines, and deliberations of the Washington State Gambling Commission are not made public anymore. Hope to be wrong on this but I have done lots of searching. (Please prove me wrong.)

So much for transparent and open Washington State government.

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