Anyone have a trip report from the tulalip tourney this weekend? What were the payouts / number of runners?

~320 runners
32 got paid. 36k for first

I was just playing at Wizards. I like 2/20, the lineups are good, but the goddamn rake is 3+4 during high hand, and 3+3 for their weak Monte Carlo board. I don't think I can go back there. There are a lot of $30-$50 pots. And dealer tokes are insane. Good for them, though. Legit $8+ leaving the table per hand dealt on average.

That's obscene, essentially means there's not a player leaving that house w even a dollar of profit if they don't hit a high hand.

Went to Muck over the weekend and the bad beat was still at $100,000.

It's kind of sad they would do that to a small community casino.

Essentially they're making sure everyone walking in that door is bled drive.

$3 take is standard. The higher jackpot money comes back to the players (minus 10 or 15% administration fee).

Most of that money is coming back to the players, just via promotions rather than table winnings.

Bantam is right. Wizards runs hh with flush qualifies twice a week, 4k monthly freeroll and $9 food comp. Fri to sun are aces full HH up to $600 depending on tables.

I think the muck does 3+3 as well so all in all Wizards isnt bad
The same regs keep showing up.

Lol, do you two think we don't know that the $4 PSJ supports promos?
The $3 per hand Monte Carlo board didn't have a single spot over $480, and that includes royals.

That's $6 out of every $30 pot, and one more at $40 for high hand. But hey, your lolflush might hold up against four other tables for a half hour for $200.


If you like it, great. I don't think I'll be returning.

I don't know anything about the promos there and I'm not saying it's the ideal scenario for regs/pros (some rec players defiantly enjoy it at least).

I'm just saying the statement that they are draining the money from the local poker economy due to a high BBJ take is wrong - this money comes back to the players.

Well, of course the money is going to the players; it is a jackpot drop.

But clearly you don't see how it is simply another way of taxing players.

If given the choice, I would rather have the money stays directly in the pool with no drop.

The whole idea of collecting jackpot drop, tax it 15%, then rebate it back to the pool as promotion is just clever way of milking customers.

Plus it is pretty standard to tip 10 to 20% off that jackpot. Add them all up and you are essentially taxing the pool 30-35% of that extra $1 drop.

30 hands an hour, $30 extra drop, and about $9 comes off the table. Multiple that by 3 tables and 8 hours, bang, 2 BIs are gone.

I do agree but the fact that promos attract a good amount of losing players to the games must also be a factor.

Of course and I have no problem with Muck dropping $3.

I don't think anyone is misunderstanding that this is a tax, and it offends me that the WSGC allows this slight of hand. But the point is that $3+3 is actually $3.30 or $3.45 rake, not $6.

But $3.45 is still better rake than you'll find virtually anywhere else in the United States! I used to crush a 5-10 FK O8 game in Detroit with 10% to $6. We truly are blessed in this regard here.

Sure, holding constant the quality of opponents--but as noted, that's not really a constant. I know you know that bad opponents are money in your pocket--I daresay even one really bad player's value over replacement value is much more than the $0.50 more a hand coming off the table.

And again, people routinely beat games with higher rake all over the country.

I learned 3-5% when I started on 2+2. If I win $500 I'm probably giving a good dealer $25, not $50. We can discuss this on the tipping thread--I'm a little worried some overactive mods will think I'm trying to make this about tipping, which I'm not.

^^^ YES. THIS. ^^^

I am still astonished when I hear posters complain about the rake in Seattle these days. IT'S VIRTUALLY THE LOWEST RAKE IN THE UNITED STATES !!!

(Also : unless something has changed in the WAC rules that I'm not aware of, the max "admin fee" on the PSJ drop in Washington is still 10%, not 15% -- so technically, the most the house can get on a single hand is $3.30, not $3.45 -- meaning the rake in Seattle is even cheaper than the poster suggested here).

Anyway, yes, this had to be said. Thank you for posting this.


q/q

If I had ever won a high hand in my life I wouldn't mind. Said slightly in jest.


But I actually really hate high hand promos. If they gave us a really fat Monte Carlo board, where I could win some real money, then I wouldn't mind so much.

I also understand that comparitvely its not so bad. Like that rake at 10/20+ LHE is not so bad, problem is a lot of pots end up in the $30-$50 range in 2-20.

IF you don't like jackpots then don't play at Wizards pretty simple. Wizards is a jackpot room. No need to be a donger about it!

But hey $3 + $3 is fine but $3 + $4 is . Its a 2/20 game. When its juicy $100+ pots happening all the time... but screw that noise they took an extra dollar out of the $100 leaving me only $99

edit: monte carlo board over high hands? that's some nit logic right there.

I never said 3+3 is fine.

The muck is definitely taking 15% of the jackpot as an admin fee. AND the effective rake of a $3+3 drop is much higher than $3.45, and I'm not talking about tips or taxes you'll have to pay on jackpot winnings.

THE MAJORITY OF THE JACKPOT FUNDS HERE ARE NOT EVEN AVAILABLE TO BE WON AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

The main bad beat jackpot tops at $100,000. The back up jackpot fund is enormous, THEY WON'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW BIG!! It could be in the millions by now. It's so large that the jackpot resets instantly to 100k after it's hit every time. Imagine how much interest or return they can generate with all that capital sitting around. Just sitting there, little risk of them having to ever pay out most of it

At Muckleshoot, the backup fund is posted on their jackpot board and is currently less than $50k. The bad beat jackpot is available to win at any time except on Super Sundays (1st Sunday of each month). Not sure where your getting your info from or if I just interpreted it wrong.

Maybe not to you, but it would seem apparent that some readers of this thread think of it as a rebate.

I don't see how comparing rake to rest of the country have much to do with removing $7 from every pot in a small 2-20 game.

Again, you're totally missing the point.

Another point to note is that these "promotions" are designed to attract players during the slower traffic hours, and many players who are benefitting from the promotion aren't the regs that have been feeding them. So to those guys, rake is indeed $6.

So let's just jack up the rake because other places in the country can still beat the game? Why not just go all the way up to cruise level rake, or Australian rake?

This isn't about your personal preference. I am talking about the norm in small casinos when it comes to tipping.

Anyhow, moving on.

This is not true. I would say an overwhelming majority of the regs that feed the jackpot rake also play during the same hours the promotions run. Even still, there is always some sort of EV in receiving some of the jackpot money back during all hours such as a bad beat jackpot, royal flush board, etc. So the rake is not $6 like you make it out to be in your post.

My premise is pretty concise, so
I don't know which part of it isn't true.

Anyhow...

The part where you said the rake is "indeed $6" - Not true.