Yes, regularly.

So I remembered to do my periodic check of the Washington State Gambling Commission website.

http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/admin-orders/orders/

Found a couple juicy nuggets...

Hideaway: From what I can tell were going to need to serve a 2-day suspension of their license on July 1 and 2 for repeated incidents of letting underaged people gamble. Any Hideaway regs know what excuse the owner gave for being closed for 2 days? Interestingly, apparently $3045 "represents 35% of the licensee's daily net proceeds." I guess $4 rake adds up...

Wizards / Chips Lakewood / Macau Tukwila: A certain Wizards employee worked with an employee of Chips and/or Macau to stack decks in baccarat and cheat those casinos out of a large 5-figure amount of money. I read on another site that the person in question was, as of March 3, the manager of poker at Wizards. Not sure I'd feel comfortable playing there now...

On another note, I was prompted to check the WSGC website because of a management change at Diamond Lil's. Apparently the guy named after a TV show character is gone. The new manager came from Palace Lakewood.

I was at Lil's last night and the new manager bought the entire room a round! That was fun, seemed to get things going a bit.

Since this new guy is from Palace, where their $8/$16 game could be played with overs to $12/$24, I was thinking he might be receptive to the idea of adding overs or maybe a half kill to the $8/$16 game at Lil's. If anyone here played at Parker's (RIP), they had a pretty good system where there was a main $8/$16 game that had a half kill, and feeder game(s) that were not kill games. So if a person wanted to play a little bigger they could but if they didn't want to they could stay in a feeder game.

Any Lil's $8/$16 regs want to comment on the idea? It's been talked about a bit at the tables but now might be a good time to make a more concerted effort to make it happen if people are interested. Maybe people are happy with the current straight $8/$16 stakes; a lot of $8/$16 regs have moved up to or are mixing in some $20/$40, so maybe those left at $8/$16 are mostly happy with the status quo? Not sure, what do you think?

(Inherent in this proposal would be a return to the old system of having a main game and feeder game(s). I think overall players liked the old system better than the new one, but again, I'm not sure, let me know your thoughts.)

[QUOTE=ReasonableGuy;47721924]So I remembered to do my periodic check of the Washington State Gambling Commission website.

http://www.wsgc.wa.gov/admin-orders/orders/

Found a couple juicy nuggets...

Hideaway: From what I can tell were going to need to serve a 2-day suspension of their license on July 1 and 2 for repeated incidents of letting underaged people gamble. Any Hideaway regs know what excuse the owner gave for being closed for 2 days? Interestingly, apparently $3045 "represents 35% of the licensee's daily net proceeds." I guess $4 rake adds up...

Kitchen remodeling

If letting the homeless play poker were a violation, the Hideaway would serve a long-term felony suspension.

Talked with her a bit about this. She was forthcoming as usual.

Apparently they neglected to card the underaged undercover player twice on the same shift within about a week. When this happens, they somehow negotiate a settlement. She made it sound like this suspension would ordinarily have been a day. They really did need to install shelving in the kitchen anyway, so she said they closed an extra day to complete the project.

The document there says two days, though, so I'm not sure--maybe they offered to add a day to the penalty in return for less fine? The doc makes it sound like they could have been subject to a much longer suspension, but the board suspended it for a year as part of their settlement. I don't know what standard procedure is.

This sounds like one person falling asleep at the switch repeatedly (if you're curious, the person involved will tell you!) but obviously a big embarrassment for them.

Were you doubting the actual story or the cover-up story?

Me? I wasn't doubting either one. I asked because I wanted their point of view.

Is NLHE still spread limit? back in 2013-2014 while there I remember it was. Any update info? Best 2/5 or higher NLHE?

Yes. No true NL in WA. Max bet at tribal casinos (all the big ones) is 500. Non-tribals is smaller (100?).

Best bet for daily action is 3-5 spread at the Muckleshoot. Larger games are sporadically available elsewhere.

500 max bet? Thats good enough. Will have to visit muckleshoot when im in WA. Hopefully the games are deep.

Max buy in is 500, but the game gets deep over time. Not at all uncommon for multiple people at the table to be over 1k deep. Min buy in is 200, but most buy in deeper than that.

The 500 max bet limitation doesn't come into play all that often. What does happen more often is a preflop cap on the number of raises. As this is spread and not NL, the room uses a bet and 3 raises per street, and sometimes gets capped preflop at sub 500 levels.

I chuckled when I read through the last five pages to find most of the answers to my questions already addressed, along with a discussion on the laziness of new posters. Thankfully I hadn't just fired away!

Refining questions. .. for a 2/5 player who occasionally dabbles in tournaments in the $100-$400 range and is free every night this week staying near Edmonds, when is the action most EV+ at Tulalip? Anything I need to know regarding logistics like traffic issues, reg times, days that 2/5 is spread and good, et cetera? Thanks guys!

First off, thank you for reading through before posting. Seriously. Moving on the answer to your question is Thursday. There will be 3/5 action all day and there's a $140 buy-in tourney at 7pm that routinely gets over 100 runners. Tulalip has also added high hand promos that run Mon-Wed that should also make playing up there worthwhile(they also have smaller buy-in tourneys that run those nights at 7pm). But here's the kicker....rush hour traffic getting there is nightmare! So plan accordingly. If you're still here on Friday I would suggest trying to get in the 3-100 game at the Hideaway(not sure what time it starts). Although it's only 1 and 3 dollar blinds w a $100 max bet, make no mistake it's every bit as good as the 3/5 game at Tulalip, not to mention you could practically walk there from Edmonds.... Hope this helps, good luck.

My gripe with that 3/100 game is that drinking can get out of hand, and it becomes -EV when it is slow and emotional.

The Hideaway 3/100 game is usually soft whereas the Tulalip 3/5 can be difficult game to beat. If playing the Hideaway Friday 3/100, call in advance to reserve a seat. Otherwise you will probably be in for a long wait.

3/5 on Wednesday will have the most tables running and the most action by far. Thursday night will not have as many 3/5 players but if you are looking to play a tourney during the week that's your best bet.

Just took 2nd in the Muckleshoot 4th Sunday $250 Deepstack tourney last night after slaying 3/5 there the night before weekend heaterrrrr

Congrats. Info I found shows that is THE best structured regularly sched tourney around (S factor formula). How many runners and when did it wrap up?

It is a great structure, you start with 20k in chips and the blind levels are 30 min without any huge blind increases. Bad thing is there were only 82 players. $6k to first place tho made it worth my time it was a $19k prize pool. We finished the tourney at 12:30 AM but we obviously played it out instead of chopping. So 12 hour tourney to the end. Definitely a lot of weak players but a few tournament regs as well. It is a very good structure for skilled players if you have the patience. I was able to pick my spots well and avoid huge all-in pots unless I was pretty far ahead.

Anybody playing the final last Sunday tourney at tulalip?

Outsider Trip Report, Poker Day 1
Tulalip Casino 9pm - 4am Tuesday night.

The quick and dirty:
In for $200 (played 1/3 while waiting for a seat and tripled), out for $1388 including a $100 high hand for eights full
Inability to call in for wait listing was strange.
Food service at table was great; they don't do that in Detroit.
3/5 table was quite soft, with a number of calling stations and nitty regs throughout the night.
High hand is fun, and almost easy in the wee hours of the morning.

The details:
Other than fewer tables running, the amenities of Tulalip poker was closer to a solid vegas room than anything we have in the D. 1/3 played stronger than our average game, but 3/5 was on par with the fairly soft game I normally catch back home. I feel like an ABC TAG player could almost not lose, and my somewhat LAG-gy play also worked well, but with high variance. Despite the +$1188, I actually lost two $1000 hands tonight. Coolered on one boat over boat, and the other was all in post flop with my A5 dominating 95 on a 455hh board only to see a 9 on the turn. Damn. Similar to back home, there was 1-3 players I felt had me edged in skill at any given time. The other players were so bad it more than made up for it, however.



Despite no call in, the wait list text option was badass and allowed me to screw around at Pai Gow while waiting. Very cool, and I was up $27 already when I sat down at 1/3!



I sampled the seafood chowder mid session, and it was quite good, although did not tighten my pants in the groin area like Ivar's smoked salmon chowder did earlier today. Love the table in this respect.

Waitresses were on point, but not as hot as the ones I'm used to in the D. Overall, eye candy was minimal throughout, although might have been the weekday pulling that down.

The gossip included an impending raise to the table fee for 3/5 PLO from $5 to $8, and a bar inside of the new room that's opening soon. It also will be closer to the restaurant apparently.

Dealers and floor both seemed generally more competent than I am used to. It seems the union hasn't corrupted casino employees here yet like in Detroit.

Free valet was amazing, and my car was waiting out front when I got there.

Overall I was impressed and will be heading for one more session Friday evening before departing Saturday morning. Thanks to everyone who dropped some knowledge on me. Say hey if you come out Friday.

I giggled a bit reading that 1/3 was tough.

Only thing tough about that game is the invisible hand.

Yes I plan on it. Im worried about showing up at 11 or later for late entry so I will probably pre-register. Some of their EOM tourneys will have 100+ alternates and you won't get a seat until 4 hours into the tournament. I never know which tourneys will be like this and which won't but I'm guessing this will probably be a big one.

The 1/3 Tualip game runs the gamut of contrasting player types and overall difficulty, from soft to hard. As a general rule, the majority of 1/3 players are not regs making the composition of players different at each poker game and unique to that time and place.

Take this for what its worth. The prospective from a weekend recreational player who plays for fun and will never be confused with Mason Malmuth or Matt Affleck.

My guess the numbers will be huge being this is the last and final of its type at Tulalip.

Good luck!