Cash games have been pretty sexy this week at muck.

Two 15/30 omahas the last two days, 6-7 3/5s, 50/100 oe, 5/10 spread with 3 nit rocks last night.

http://www.twitch.tv/limonpoker Limon is talking about best hand colluding right now. Everyone should watch that doesnt know what this is

Is that where they run the ol' best hand play?

The conversation i had is in the twitch archives. If you have further questions call in to my free show LIVE mondays at 6pmPST at liveatthebike.com

Does the HORSE game at the hideaway still run on Saturdays?

Yes

Correction- I was wrong. H.O.R.S.E was not running tonight.

Do anyone know places in Seattle that 5-10 No Limit runs? If so when does it typically run?

5-10 what game? NLHE?

I encourage someone to add that info here:
http://poker.wikia.com/wiki/Seattle

(2+2 changed their position so it's now OK for me to point you there.)

Ya found that out when I showed up atv6. Guess it's because of the holdem hh

Apparently so. Looks like the Wed Stud game is no mas as well.

Mondays at Snoqualmie, 2-3 games all year except during the WSOP it gets a little weak. It's not true NL though, it's spread limit. So if someone bets 250, the most you can raise to is 750 and so on.

Seriously a new high hand bonus killed the Stud 8 and HORSE games? If so that's a shame. Even moreso if they raised the rake to pay for the new promotion, and people are switching because they think they are getting something for free that they are actually paying for.

I was in LA all week, but you can call the regs up and let them know their fish is back in town now.

More to the point, stud 8 is the owner's favorite game, so I think there's a high probability that she'll find a way to get this going. Is it lack of tables or are the stud players going to play hold 'em because of the high hand? Are they doing high hand on Wed. now?

You obscure the issue by conflating rake and player-supported jackpot drop. Lil's recently raised PSJ during some promotional periods but not rake.

AFAIK Hideaway didn't raise either of the two for this, but I could be wrong.

This past Friday's Hideaway floor manager needs a muzzle or a mute button. This guy thinks he is a comedian but comes across as a clown.

Mooooooskie

Better delete before tempban. Edit: too late, I see.

I got 24 hours for mentioning names already mentioned in the thread once. Pm or see moderation thread if you wish to discuss.

As well as the owner. They both drive business away...

Hideaway has an interesting way of running its room.

On most weekdays, there is one hold'em table and one omaha, and yet there are like bunch of dealers and couple floors just sitting around.

Why?

Most likely for the daily tournaments. Why does this cause you concern?

Spending pay on dealers not doing anything causes the room to have less money to be spent on the players is my guess

No, not that. How it chooses to run its room is its own business.

I was just more less curious.

The few times I was there around 4pm (no tourney then), there would be a floor running the game, and then there would be another sitting there watching TV.

I can understand if there's 30 minutes of overlapping 2 floors to exchange things, but no, it seems like that place is always running at 2 floors even when there are only 2 tables.

I agree, the place is poorly ran. When the current ownership took over I was supposed to interview for poker manager but never did as they hired the current one on the spot.

Too bad, the 10/20 could have came back, who knows...

The problem with Seattle gaming is that there is no strong competition. Take LA for example. There are other casinos offering the same games just a couple min drive away. Everyone has the ability to offer the same games as well unlike our mini casinos vs tribals.

Tulalip: Zero competition and people that have been working there forever that have never stepped foot into a well ran poker room.

Hideaway: Decent location, historic name and horrible management. Rake $4 plus $2 PSJ Watching and listening to how the owner treats her employees has made me cringe almost every time I was in there. In general the employees kill this place, not make it better. Also they do not have the ability to bet up to 500 like the Tribals.

Diamond lils: Management in and out over the years, very good location and decently consistent games. Rake $3 and $3 for PSJ on promotion days. Only Seattle area card room to have LHE and only room to offer 20/40. Also the do not have the ability to bet up to 500 like the Tribals.

Muckleshoot: Been around forever, only room that has 3/5 with multiple tables.

Snoqualmie: I'm not sure if they ever even tried to compete with Muck. The 2/5 max 300 buy in game is a joke. The room physically is a joke.

If all these rooms had exactly the same ability to spread the same games, were a little closer and had management that could last longer than 1-2 years, we the players would have a way better time of making the rounds.


The biggest problem though with Seattle card rooms is their love of promotions. In the best poker markets, LA, Vegas and the east coast, there are little to no promotions at all. Take LA for example; they take a $1 jackpot drop, thats it. No high hand, no quads just simply no b.s. Nothing that drives a player to play Tuesday and not Wednesday. Ever since Parkers massive bad beat got hit, then re-hit and then that back up hit the area's player pool has been screwed. Higher rake, higher PSJ drops and dumb ass promotions that drive players to come in for certain days for certain things other than a good poker game.

When was the last time you heard, oh hey casino X has a great game on X day. The only thing you hear is oh on Fri theres $500 high hand at X.

The cultural shift from going to play in a good game to going to try and win some PSJ money is in my opinion where Seattle went wrong and why we used to have freaking 1 billion games to having 2 rooms in Shoreline, 1 up north and some down south.

Definitely not always. I played there between 4pm and 6:30pm yesterday and 2am and 5am today. Only one floor (different ones) for most of those shifts, with a bit of overlap for the crossover.

They do have their employees prop quite a bit, though, so maybe you've seen people coming early/staying late to keep games going?


I know most of the dealers there, including one who lurks on 2+2, and have never heard any indication of substantial unhappiness over their management. Indeed, some of the very best dealers from defunct places like Drift and the Mountlake Terrace Palace have ended up there.

Perhaps you know something that we don't, but it's helpful context to know that you interviewed for a job there and weren't offered.


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It would be nice to have the game selection of LA, but the effect of competition isn't as strong as you think. The Commerce, Bike, and HG are around 15 min from each other, but rake at any of them there for a $20/40 hand that goes to the river is $6. At Lil's, the only place with regular $20/40 here, it's $3. Behold the work of the invisible hand!

(PSJ is $1 higher at Lil's than in the CA rooms in non-promo periods and $2 higher in special promo periods. But the vast majority of that goes back to players, not the house, and Lil's high hands are much easier to hit than the BBJs at the LA houses, so you're forced to buy lower variance lottery tickets. Even so, max rake+PSJ is $6 at Lil's, $7 at the LA card barns.)

Good post, Zac.

I stopped going to Hideaway because the rake is pretty absurd for that holdem game. Lot of $40-50 pots that are missing $6. However, I've never seen anywhere a bigger collection of truly awful players than what you typically find there.