What stakes? What time does the game start? Is it 7 days a week? Is it spread limit or pot limit? Any details would be helpful.
Thanks,
OD

Every game in Washington state is considered "spread" limit, given that max bet is $500 in tribal and $300 in non-tribal.

But the game itself is pot limit until it hits $300 max bet.

It's 1/3 and runs pretty much daily.

I qualified for the $499 hh at Fortune on Monday and have split my time since then playing 1/3 and 4/8.

For some reason the tables in the last few weeks have been nutty and I've almost completely recouped my losses from 2018.

I wish the Fortune social media contest was a random draw from participants instead of being based on number of likes. Likes can be bought and disencentivises those who can't farm likes. Or whose social media accounts aren't poker based.

Woo hoo! (This is from 1\3)

Played at Fortune last night. A large portion of overflow parking was chained off and of available parking almost all spots were full. I imagine it will be tough finding parking tonight. Can we still park behind hotel?

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Ugh. Please no Torelli chip stacking.

Here's the official Fortune parking map. I've always been able to find parking on the south side of clarion. Park on the north eastern side if you're feeling lucky.

Although its not on the map, parking across the street at the Harley dealership is also an option.

Also, the $499 hh promo has been extended thru July!

Thanks Seattle for adding your agreement and describing that annoying too cool for school attitude many of the dealers have. As you mentioned it really does come from the awful everyone loses so dont be cheap 6/12 limit culture of just fiveish years ago. I would imagine one or more of the "poker managers" at Carribean (they have three) might read this, though they also deal and are still profiting from the excessive tip culture and are of course going to be subconsciously biased and protect that. And to play the Devil's Advocate a bit, many recs just want to feel James Bond cool with tipping as we all know, so it kind of is an everyone wins situation as long as the serious regular poker community that pays a massive amount of annual rake (your base steady dealer wage and health benefits for you) is never pressured or disrespected with tip hawking.

You see tip hawking as subtle as can possibly at Fortune because of the great management there and dealers who are quite frankly from Renton not Kirkland and therefore more humble, hardworking and less entitled.

I'll say it again though, the casual, friendly culture at Carribean is the best in the state, though not tons ahead of Fortune, and the dealers own and really contribute to that. Filthy rich Eastside older recs get a place to relax over some cards where swearing serious, degenerates such as myself are held in check and the vibe feels chill and they never feel embarrassed after losing $600 a night. Thank you so much.

It's pretty standard response though. If you deal to Ivey and Bronson on the regular basis and they know you by first name, clearly you are very special.

That's the kind of mentality that some Caribbean dealers have.

Be humble and show respect to everyone. Having more money does not make you a better human being.

My big apologies BigHurt, i’m clearly projecting and making ridiculous assumptions. It comes from being all worked up thinking of Carribean tip culture. I should get off the internet and go enjoy this heavenly WA summer. Thanks for being so measured in your response :-)

Here’s one more annoyance for us to guff about: Fortune floors playing in their own games when the hourly hand promo ev gets huge or a fish filled 1/3 table appears and of course not at other times. IMO managers playing in their own poker rooms should be banned (but never will be by the inept WA gaming commission) because their job is to enforce a fair game, and more importantly plan a fair promo structure. Profiting from that promo structure is awful. I would do the same thing if I worked there, and that’s why customers need to call it out. It’s not helpfully starting games it’s taking money we all pay and deserve back.

I will say, any time an on the duty floor has sat in a game that Im in, they're not much more than occupying a seat. I seriously doubt Ive seen one put as much as $50 in a pot. Not to say they're folding AA or anything, but I don't think they're going hard in the paint either. Just keeping a game from going short.

My experience has been the same as BigHurt’s. I rarely see on duty employees playing and then it’s only to fill a seat. I’ve often seen employees play for 60-90 minutes after their shift because they’re waiting for traffic to clear up. I’ve never seen them go hard. When they drag a pot they get no where near the value they could have if they were playing seriously.

After reading some of the past posts about collusion at Fortune, I'm curious as to whether it's worth playing there. I'm thinking of taking a bit of a roadie after Stampede is done in Calgary in a couple of weeks since the games here suck for a few days/week afterwards. Does the 250/499 promo offset anything untowards?

I realize that Spokane is a distance from Seattle but that's also an option. I love the 5-300 and 8-16 at the Pearl.

ABC -- just for clarification, we only allow on-duty floor supervisors to play in an effort to start games during periods of increasing business (mornings and early afternoons) or to keep games from breaking and leaving guests without a seat.

More importantly, when they do play, they are not eligible to qualify for any of the jackpots/Monte Carlo/High Hands. That does put them at a substantial disadvantage as the PSJ funds are removed from all pots regardless of who eventually wins them. But the bottom line to guests is that (we/)they contribute to the PSJ, but cannot participate in the payouts. Those funds are reserved for our guests (and employees who choose to play while off the clock.)

Regards,

David Hill

There is nothing untoward going on. Definitely worth a stop in.

Thanks David. Looks like more ridiculous paranoid assumption making from me from playing too much Poker. Time to get off the internet and stop slandering the best poker room around.

See everyone around and be sure to enjoy some of this sensational outdoors weather! Enjoy a hike in the mountains or a ferry ride to the San Juans or even just a stroll around the UW campus if you’re around there. Life is too short to not enjoy this heaven we are surrounded by. And I am happy to offer some northwest outdoor recommendations for anyone visiting if you DM me or know me by now and see me at the tables.

I take some of my recommendation back...

Openly heard Caribbean dealers mocking players for not tipping "enough" on separate occasions and griping about certain players making the final table in donkaments...because they don't tip enough.

Caribbean dealers have a very bad attitude about tipping and they think bigger the pot, bigger the tip...

Time for a new power ratings list then.

Greater Seattle Dealer Power Ratings:
1) Fortune- by far no question.
2) Red Dragon- for the most really good. Dealing w counting/splitting the pot in live PLO can be a challenge but they do good at it.
3) Palace- neck and neck w RD but they don’t have to deal w the PLO stuff, but they have to deal w more rowdy patrons so there’s that.
4) Carribean- as mentioned above they’re def entitled and morale seems to be low there since they’re always bitching at each other, but for the most part competent.
5) Tulalip- Lazy, distracted, and for the most part simply dgaf. Tho I must say my experiences there recently have been much better than the previous 10yrs.
6) Muckleshoot- I mean, they try.

I dont recall Muckleshoot dealers being that awful, but it's been awhile since my last visit. Fortune dealers are top notch imo... Ive heard many of them comment about how Fortune runs a tight ship and they are happy which makes all the difference. Keep your employees happy and they will keep your customers happy. There's only 1 dealer I see regularly there that seems irritated to be alive, but is still a competent dealer.

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Caribbean dealers apparently have not-so-friendly competition to see who can better pressure customers to make more tips.

Tipping in Caribbean can feel like paying an past due debt...

There is naturally some variation, but most Muckleshoot dealers are pretty good. There are a few standouts that are truly excellent. Able to deal quickly and accurately, keeping the game moving and enforcing rules while being personable and contributing to a fun atmosphere. There are a few less experienced dealers, but everybody starts somewhere.

I can't imagine these "power rankings" are at all accurate or meaningful. They seem pretty arbitrary.

"power rankings" = some dude's opinion.

I agree with bacchist & PokerLM. There are one or two VERY bad dealers at Muck, but for the most part, the dealers there range from average to excellent. Of all the problems at Muck, the dealers are pretty low on the list. That being said, most of the dealers at Fortune seem very solid.

If you want to put Muck low on your list, do it because of shift managers and to a lesser extent, the folks that run the board. They are overwhelmingly incompetent. Table management has been a huge problem there for years. 13 people on the board? Meh... We'll start a new table in about 45 minutes. Open seat at a table and 6 people on the board? Meh... We'll call a name in about 20 minutes. If I didn't play there and have to put up with it, it would be comically bad.

Palace has a PLO game.

New days for Omaha high hands starting next week mon. 7/22.

Monday thru Friday noon to 6PM.

Do you think they could make it 10-4 so I still have time to get the senior special at Denny’s? What? I like Denny’s.